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AlexK, that's a different domain. But the point is very well taken. You've found a pretty obscure query (~295 results) that the keyword stuffing spammers like to target. I'll check this out in more detail.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 1:03 am (utc) on Nov. 12, 2005]
>>GG played down the Canonical fix a while ago though (not just today) :( <<
What I meant, if you read GG´s posts during Borboun, there were energy, optimistic and drive.
Now he sound little disappointed, maybe.
Oh well.. you know GoogleGuyologists read GG´s posts in quite different manner than the rest do :-)
ping
google.com
get ip address for google.com
ping ip address to see if it's up
keep pinging that ip address
is the logic I believe
The ip address shown that DNS, or a direct ip query resolves to, is probely a load balancer, explaining why the results can change from one query to the next in a matter of seconds on a single ip address. There might be 100s of boxes behind that load balancer, with different boxes responding each time. One box with one dataset, and the next with a different dataset, or algo.
Try to picture in your mind rooms full of boxes, located in different locations thruout the world. Thru the smoke and mirrors of DNS & Load balancers, a person in texas is routed to the closest room, then the load balancer for the room of boxes selects the least busy box in the room to give the response. The next query still goes to the same ip address of the load balancer, but a different box is selected to give a response, and has a differnt dataset, or algo(because the datacenter is in the process of updating each of the boxes in the room), and gives a different set of results.
Difficult to explain, but I tried
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WW_Watcher
If the canonical and suplimental issues are resolved
Supplemental issues will REMAIN after Jagger according to Matt Cutt's blog.
I'm wildly guessing that canonical confusion was a very big problem and they've addressed it with Jagger, but Supplementals are a MONUMENTAL problem and only the surface is scratched. Note that there are far more supplemental pages than regular ones - perhaps 10x or more - so dealing with the supplemental index must mean iterative computations that stagger even the googlish imagination.
I spent 15 years as a network engineer(mcse #7666, and Novell, Banyon, & Citrix), with the last 6 years of them designing and building load balanced server farms of citrix metaframe boxes, it drove me insane, and gave me a heart attack, so I quit the corporate world, & I opened up a shop, and built a website to sell parts. Now I just deal with one box.
I fell off the edge, and the ravine almost killed me!
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WW_Watcher
Most of the sub-directories within my Music directory have disappeared.
It has been suggested that they've been sandboxed, although I have no idea why they would be.
These several hundred pages have been (for the most part) on page one for several years. I didn't/don't spam, keyword spam, or did/do any "tricks" to keep the pages where they deserved to be. They have unique content, very little advertising, no popups, no popunders, but DO use Google search and adwords.
They disappeared during the May Bourban Update, came back October 16th, then disappeared again today (11/7).
In May, I had just switched to using more adsense. I did that again last week.
Is that part of my problem?
Should I dump adsense?
Other than that, there have been no significant changes.
What is up?
If Google has changed the rules, please let me know what the new rules are.
Good point. And, with a very big IF too - because neither issue has been fixed at all.
There was no "cache" available
Click: "Similar to" link produced nothing
Click: "Link to" link produced nothing
Click: "pages from the site" produced all site pages but all URL's were with "www".mysite.com
Click: "pages that contain the term" lots of links and forum mentions but they use the "www."
MY Question? How did that one lonely index page without the "www" get into Google, and should/could I get it removed? How do I do this? From my end somehow or send something to GG?
Thanks for your help!
PS: we have no subdomains, or people linking to the "non - www." page, and a utility turned on to re-direct any versions of our site URL to "www.mysite.com".
For sites correctly indexed as having all www pages, I almost always see a single URL-only entry for the non-www address. It is nothing to worry about.
If the non-www index page has a full title and description, or if you have many non-www pages showing up, then you do have a big problem on your hands.
Looks like the 9 died after all!
Better all round I think, however I was sure they were going to use the 9....
*This surely must be the end now.
The site's index page is as you say "alone", nothing else showing up.
It does however have a description and title. Shouldn't be trouble, I hope. My site that sits rock solid through these has the exact same thing and it is always 1 & 2 for all related terms. (hope that remains)
Site in question got mowed down, loks poor on the data center with the "7" in it and the one with the "9" on it, is back to being on the first page again.
This is a real nail biting experience! Thanks again.
Somehow i dont think there going to do away with Jag 3, i bet it comes back
With vengeance?
I have to say from a selfish point of view right now would be a good place for it all to end.
Life is never this fair though... does the 9 still lurks in our midst? LOL
Not 100% 7 but not 100% 9 either.
Shame, would have liked to have seen 100% 7, much better results from 7 imo, but i guess this way everyones happy?
Only thing i wonder is how old exactly does a site have to be to get this extra weight from google?. I certainly see some non relevent pre 2000 site pages ranking well and some similar aged directory sites doing well so 5+yrs must give you an automatic boost in the SERPS irrespective of its content.
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WW_Watcher
google.com (64.233.161.104) = 66.102.9.104 = 66.102.7.104
(Treceroute)
Google.com at 66.102.9.99
Google.co.uk at 66.102.9.147
These both seem pretty stable in listings...
Repeated clicking of Search button shows NO shifting of sites or descriptors.
To be honest, it looks a lot like it was in early September...
Anyone in London see different IPs?
Latest caches show 5 & 6 Nov for sites.
I still see no changes for mis-listed supplemental pages; or for millions of non-www pages that are still listed even though the URL redirects to www and has done for months or years; or for supplemental results that are still ranking for content removed 2 years ago (whether or not that result links to a cache from 2 days ago or from 2 years ago); or for duplicate content issues. Those results are the same now as they have been since at least August - and there are still two completely different versions of the supplemental index out there (some pages are listed in both indexes, others in only one of the indexes, or the other).
[edited by: g1smd at 1:44 am (utc) on Nov. 8, 2005]
