Update Saga. Part 5

[Brett_Tabke]

What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

[tigger]

having spent the morning reading what MC has said on various forums, it seems like recp links are dead in the water, triangle link exchanges can be tracked & paid directory links offer no value. The only type of link (which IMH is what this update is about) is 100% non-recp link, so if someone sees your site they will link to it because they like it! so how many of us the run e-comm sites or affiliate based sites are going to get that happening! this update is all about G taking control back of the serps and by devaluing links have done this - the next issues for me is how "some" sites have slipped under the net because if you look at the links for can see they are clearly involved with mass link exchanges & buying links in

Am I completely off the mark here?

[tigger]

one other point a site I own that has been neglected for months with no work/link exchanges/content added is now ranking and prior to Jagger was dead in the water - this update is about links nothing more

[CainIV]

As for me, I'll continue to check in here once a week and read the last page of posts. It is there that I can find all I need to know!

Why would you need or want to? What is it you need to know, seeing as you appear to know enough? Could there actually be information here that might benefit you?

Judging by your statements you have the upperhand in terms of knowledge over what has happened in the G updates as referred by your "you guys" mentality. Remeber Brad, not everyone is great at putting together information an comparing for the purposes of analysis. This being said, it doesnt hurt to ask, or talk, and this is what people are doing - discussing. Some are new at the game, others are veterans.

How many people here printed the source code of the top 30 sites in each keyword of interest before Jagger executed? Because, that's a key "ingredient" of the stew.

Useful, if you feel that a major aspect of this updates is in regards to concentraction, stemming and keyword use and dilution, which any seasoned SEO could tell you it is not.

Obvious major factors stemming from the Google patent -spam factors, www vs non www factors, supps and canon issues as well as link age, link building rate and theming.

Hey but what do I know, maybe you might learn something here?

[soapystar]

theres so much going on here im not sure how you can say its all about recips. Ive never seen so many different factors evolve in such a short space of time. And dont forget this is sector by sector. What is true for one sector may not be the same for another. We can all see sites built on pure manipulated links still flourishing so i cant agree this is ALL about recips. I do agree that their value and thresholds have been reworked as ONE part of the bundle of new factors and thresholds though.

Incidently when i catch adverts warning benefit frauds that the government is on their tail, or see a sign that a speed trap is in operation on a certain road i know that benefit fraud is rising and the police have no resources to actually deploy a speed trap on that road.

[edited by: soapystar at 8:50 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2005]

[CainIV]

Well stated Soapy.

[normasp]

ok.

but what's about migration of 66.102.9.104 to other data centers?

maybe next year 2015?

[tigger]

>We can all see sites built on pure manipulated links still flourishing so i cant agree this is ALL about recips

thats the frustrating part, I've seen this as well and "some" sites that are within my sectors are flourishing that I know are involved in mass link exchanges - others like myself and many other webmasters here that I've spoken too have just played the old game of link building and are now dropped to the 4th pages

If I sound like I'm rambling & confused its because I am and trying to get a head on what G does & doesn't except regarding linking is a massive pain in the XXX. and please don't say build links naturally and just let people link to you with e-com/affiliate/commercial sites it just doesn't happen

[lee_sufc]

I don't know if this helps, but yesterday, when I, and others, found the results better, I tried a site:mysite.com -www, there were less results than there are today?

Does this indicate that the "good" results yesterday were more up to date? PS - I only implemented a 301 redirect a few days ago...

[zikos]

"I've created two more websites over the past week"
How?using autogenerated material?
Guys like you are the reasons for those threads and those updates .Since people start using scraps (in a few hours creating 100000 pages)was also Google start the monthly updates.How the "£$%^ is possible in one week someone to create 2 sites ,it takes me 2 weeks to make 2 pages of over 3000 words of original content after all I have to do researches in Libraries ,newspapers magazines.I hope it will come the day that you will find information in All Search Engines and not autogenerated crap.Keep the good job Google.

[EasyCall]

So I guess the number one question on a lot of our minds is: Do we dump our link exchange directories or just let them sit? Or do you think it's too early to make that call?