Update Saga. Part 5

[Brett_Tabke]

What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

[Ankhenaton]

ALL of it. That gets you the big picture ... not just a microcasm of our small little worlds

The big picture is billions and billions of pages in billions of mutations ..

I'll get back to you once the universe has imploded again or they found something better than superstring beta mesons.. or whatever..

Google spamfree will be at a wormhole near you... :D

[webdude]

Yep, that DC is going nuts. Exactly what happened before J3 hit 9.

[Dayo_UK]

Yep LunaC - November 2004 - seems to have been a black month for a lot of sites (and Google) - I blame that stupid crawl they did with Mozilla Googlebot in Late October and early November 2004.

The only Mozilla Googlebot crawl that really hit the index too.

So many supplementals hanging around from that time.

Webdude

I guess that DC will become Jagger3 soon then?

[LegalAlien]

Morning all :))

Are reciprocal links dead? I don't think so. Has Google devalued recips? Not exactly. IMO, of course!

I don't want to repeat my other posts, so if you skip back a few pages you'll find details about our site, changes I made and our recovery pattern, if this is of interest to you.

Of about 350 external links on our site, roughly 250 are reciprocated. Our previous page 1 phrases are now on the 3rd page, despite having recovered all our pre-update PR share (there was a PR update just prior to Jagger, which devalued many pages linking to us). However, we are now ranking on the 1st page for previous 3rd and 4th page phrases. All the phrases I monitor are competitive - above 50 million results.

Previously, our strongest serps were from phrases that appeared at the very beginning of our link anchor text. Now I am seeing high serps for phrases that appear deeper in the anchor text, or that are combined from words separated in the anchor text.

This actually makes total sense as far as Google is concerned, as I see pages and pages of key phrase-only links in recip directories and resource pages. This approach would effectively wipe out the majority of ranking results from all these outsourced 5 minute SEO campaigns, while still giving weight to natural, descriptive links.

I will now request changes to some of our recip links to move our key phrases deeper into the anchor text, and to split the words up. This will probably take a few days, but I will post back here with the results.

If this is true, then this is good news for recips on Google; although this is bad news for Yahoo!/MSN.

<edit>fixed a typo (50 million results)

[edited by: LegalAlien at 2:57 pm (utc) on Nov. 18, 2005]

[webdude]

I believe so. I could be wrong, but it is the exact same thing that happened before. It is also currently the default for google.com in my area. If if this true, then the J3 results should start showing up for google.com in my area. At least I hope so ;-)

[Eazygoin]

Web dude>>
Its my default also, and I am in Spain right now. I'm off to Tenerife tomorrow and then London, so it'll be interesting to see if it follows me around...lol!

BTW that keyword group has moved to position 7 on that DC!

[zeus]

LunaC - sorry to say but the sitemap thing will not work, you have to wait for google to fix there serps, the day I saw that it was not my fault that the site was gone, I created a new which is doing fine, but its a pain to see the old site hurt so much because of google.

One thing that could maybe lift your mood is that next year microsoft VISTA comes with desktop search directly to MSN, that will realy hurt google, that way you get more hits again just from MSN.

[Yippee]

The recip links concept is dead (I don't think it really ever existed other than a big hype), however, relevant topic link trades to me are still important. I do think links are treated completely separate from the concept of recip. This page links to this page and it gets credit, and this page links to that and gets credit, but somehow tie them two together and call them recip I doubt it. Too much overhead for G in the direction they are headed. G see things on a much higher level like how much low to high PR distribution you have internally, ratio of inbound to outbound links, satuaration to SE referrals, etc... And it is these things you can't work around other than to bust your silly chops. Black hat or spammers are a thing of the past. Quite frankly, that's how I see G keeping an edge on M and Y.

So, is recip links dead? I don't even think G has the bandwidth to entertain that though. I think they just see them as links to pages and nothing more (as they always have done)...

[edited by: Yippee at 3:24 pm (utc) on Nov. 18, 2005]

[reseller]

Hi Folks

Within the sector I'm watching, I mightbe seeing Jagger3 migrating to other DCs. Still see few sets of serps through out the DCs.

What are you seeing within your sectors at the moment?

[helleborine]

In my sector (crafts) I have not seen changes to J3 in a few days. I am, however, observing what may be migration to other DCs. It should be noted that the "migration" is more like the tide, back, and forth, back, and forth...