Part 3 Update Jagger

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[thebug151]

Thanks AlexK, no one has ever explained it to me so well. I think I understand.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.

dmje, thanks for the sticky.

[g1smd]

>> 66.102.9.104 resolved canonical problem <<

The 66.102.9.104 DC simply has very old supplemental results that have cached pages from nearly two years ago.

If your site is only a year old, or so (or less), then your canonical problem will never even have been in that data; so not so much a fixing of your problem, but of seeing data that predates the existance of your site, perhaps.

[edited by: g1smd at 11:29 pm (utc) on Nov. 5, 2005]

[reseller]

g1smd

>>I can't vote for any of them.<<

Not even if you get a special Google T-Shirt with Jagger3 logo: I LOVE 66.102.9.104 :-)

[RussellC]

On my site on 66.102.9.104. doing a site:www.mydomain.com and site:mydomain.com come up with the same results.

On the other hand on 66.102.7.104 doing the same thing provides more results on the latter search showing supplemental results with mydomain.com. And I am gone from the SERPS on 66.102.7.104.

Do I need to do a 301 redirect from mydomain.com to www.mydomain.com?

Thx.

[g1smd]

Yes. You do need a redirect. Get it in right now.

Make sure it is a 301 redirect and works for every page of the site.

[federico]

Russel,

i also suspect that a 301 for the domain.com should fix 66.102.7.104 ie equating 66.102.7.104 / 66.102.9.104

do you have an older cache for your domain.com vs www.domain.com? we do. and also we have a PR0 vs a PR 5 for the www.domain page

[Eazygoin]

g1msd

The 66.102.7.104 team give the T shirt, plus a baseball cap, and a week in any city you prefer, if you sign up!

[g1smd]

I would rather prefer that all the supplemental results showing stuff that hasn't existed for 18 months or more were removed from the index, and the listed non-www pages that have already been redirected for almost a year also went the same way...

So far, no sign of that at all, across more than a hundred sites that I have checked.

Someone always posts a "google is broken" post somewhere around this time; might as well be me then...

[edited by: g1smd at 12:03 am (utc) on Nov. 6, 2005]

[RussellC]

federico,

My non-www results show VERY old cache! I just did a 301 redirect from non-www to www so hopefully that cleans things up eventually.

-Russell

[WebPixie]

I'm joining team 66.102.7.104

Results look better overall on the terms I watch.

[g1smd]

RussellC: For non-supplemental pages you'll see an improvement in just a week or two, and all your www pages might be fully listed within a month. Check that the redirect really is a 301 (use WebBug to see)

Cleanup of the non-www pages might take a very long time. Every time that I have seen the cleanup finish, Google has then waited a couple of months and then re-imported even older data back into the SERPs again.

Check your entire site for problems using Xenu LinkSleuth or similar.

[federico]

66.102.7.104 looks like yellow pages results to me. a lot of obvious results, large Fortune 500, amazon ebay and the like

why even do a search on Google? to find out what you already know?

[sailorjwd]

G1smd,

I have the exact same issues on both those DCs that you have.

[Kirby]

Well I get interesting results regarding supplementals. I have two sites that are plagued by supplementals. For site A, they are gone on 66.102.9.104 but there in full force on 66.102.7.104. For site B it is the opposite.

So does "blending" mean the supplementals are removed or back? I know where the smart money is on this. Im with g1smd. They are both lacking.

[g1smd]

Noted that you both see the same. There must be many more out there too.

The fixes are in place on the sites, but Google isn't picking up those changes - and has failed to do so for 18 months or more.

[idolw]

federico, maybe your sector is just like that.
kws I look at return SERPs showing comprehensive results - from very specific sites to more general ones. All site types are included. All that bring additional value. Those delivering nothing special are ranked lower.

[RunnerD]

Okay, if I do an allinurl:www.mysite.com I get both www. pages and non www pages. It seems to me from reading this I need to do some redirect? Where exactly do I put this coding? In the htaccess file? Can someone point me where I can find the exact coding? Should I apply this coding to all my sites, even if some of them don't appear to have this problem?

[g1smd]

Get the redirect in on every site. It goes in the .htaccess file for Apache.

Options +FollowSymLinks
RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^domain.com [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.domain.com/$1 [L,R=301]

Make sure that all links to folders always end in a trailing / if there is no filename in that link.

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Use WebBug to check the redirect status. It will be 301 for HTTP 1.1 and either 301 or 404 for HTTP 1.0 accesses to non-www URLs.

Use Xenu LinkSleuth to check all the links within your site too.

[edited by: g1smd at 12:12 am (utc) on Nov. 6, 2005]

[RunnerD]

Okay, where can I find the coding and where do i put it?

[idolw]

in google SERPs? :-P

[RunnerD]

It will take forever to find it in the google serps. :) someone throw me a bone.

[idolw]

you can try #1 :)))
[66.102.7.104...]

[g1smd]

Look up the thread...

Post #198.

[edited by: g1smd at 12:17 am (utc) on Nov. 6, 2005]

[RunnerD]

Will this get the job done in the htaccess file?

Redirect 301 / [yourdomain.com...]

Or should i do something different?

[g1smd]

What part of "See post #198" didn't you understand?

:-)

[RunnerD]

Whoops. Had to go back a page, sorry.

Perfect. Thanks. Will try it.

[followgreg]

I'm joining team 66.102.7.104
Results look better overall on the terms I watch.

I totally agree, [66.102.7.104...] will have my vote too, more relevant even if it's not that much difference with the other DC, I find less "weird" SERP.
When I say less "weird" SERP I'm talking also about less country level domains that have nothing to do with where I'm living - seems like a better geo targetting.

Reseller! Can I still have the T-shirt? :-)

EDIT: I guess that these DC's are in the flux rigth now because when I double check some queries I sometimes can't find at all in the top 500 some usual websites on [66.102.7.104...] while they are given a #1-10 for allinanchor and a fine position on [66.102.9.104...] and they are not sandboxed anymore IMO. It's a bit weird.

How long to get the final temporary results? :P So at least we know what is the direction!?

[edited by: followgreg at 12:43 am (utc) on Nov. 6, 2005]

[petehall]

Reseller! Can I still have the T-shirt? :-)

Erm... nope because we are in the 66.102.9.104 camp :)

[Interent Yogi]

Yeah Reseller I'll take one of the 66.102.7.104 shirts .
Both results are looking pretty good.

On 66.102.9.104 There is a couple of top .GOV and .edu results in the top 10 on sites that i monitor that are not in the others.

66.102.7.104 List a single keyword search at 10 $ 11 for the same page?

66.102.9.104 that serach is gone and internal page on thesite is on Pgae 3 . I really hope it is blended in from one of those 2 on 66.102.7.104

One thing for sure PR means Almost nothing

[jcmiras]

In terms of relevence, 66.102.7.104 is better than 66.102.9.104.