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So when is this over now?
Just fine Yahoo! Do it slow....
More interestingly is the search for this on msn under sponsored link on Google.. lol .. I wonder how big Microsofts Adword account is? Someone seems to underestimate Bills desire to throw billions at stuff he would like to be number one at.
First off, I was hoping we wouldn't have to be explaining RewriteRule's in order to fix dupe content... wasn't that supposed to happen? It still floors me that after all this time, G still has a probem with this. Come on people... whether you use www or not, it is all the same site and to have to set up special redirects, 301's, 404's just to keep G from penalizing you seems rather stupid. All those engineers and they cannot fix that little problem... Mmmmm.
Also, I kind of agree with g1smd on these new results but for different reasons. Of course we all look at these things with a biased eye, but for the terms I track, I see nothing drastic for ranking of home pages. What I am finding is other pages seem to have suffered. For my terms, I lost a couple of spots, not a big deal, but a lot of the inside pages have tanked. On the DC's you guys are voting on, I see absolutely no difference exept for the drop of inner pages and these few spots lost. Okay... I go from #1 to #2 or #3 to #4... no big deal. However, using site: I still have all the pages I had before, albeit in a different order, but still out of 900 pages, 30% are URL only (they've been that way for the past year) with lots of supplimentals in there. I am also seeing pages that have not existed in over a year... Mmmm... I was kind of hoping for something a bit more drastic perhaps. You know, like pages that don't exist maybe perhaps, shouldn't be in the index! I mean how the heck do pages that don't exist help anyone, especially the average user. Maybe flux, everflux and any of the other fluxes will help. but if this is an indication of the major fixes, I just don't get it.
Just my humble opinion... of course.
Oh... and by the way. Congrats to all of you who have seen major positive changes on your sites. More power to you!
Now after Jagger update I can only say Brett Tabke's 26 steps need update also...
Pros:
- non-www homepage canonical problem apears fixed: [site:domain.com -www] == no results
Cons:
- no improvement on Supplementals
- ancient caches galore (lots of October 2004, but some as old as Feb. 2004)
- [site:domain.com red widget] returns our primary red widget page at #113, below steaming heaps of ancient Supplementals
- more Supplementals showing for various [inurl:] searches than pre-Jagger, J1, or J2
- still no rhyme nor reason to results for [site:domain.com]
- oh, and and our SERPs haven't budged since the hammer dropped on Sept. 22
64.233.189.104
66.102.7.104
They are the only ones that make any sense.
the rest is garbage//////
C
For some of the IPs, you type in a search. Then after the results, you click on the NEWS link at the top of the page. Some IPs don't resolve, and some do.
Does this mean anything useful?
At least I didn't get dinged!
I will second that whole thing right up there. This is EXACTY what I am seeing and even my feelings on this whole thing.
The supplemental page issue is now completely fixed!
No supplementals in my site command.
They are now called 'additional pages'
;)
[edited by: sailorjwd at 5:01 am (utc) on Nov. 6, 2005]
Looks like fewer Supplementals for us in J3 but still enough to keep our rankings abnormally low. Cache dates are months old despite sitemap updates. I'm noting hotel and shopping pages seem to be more prone to supplemental status and this is consistent with Google's concerns about affiliate pages, though ours generally have good rather than "thin" content.
Did you get the same results on both DCs?
People should note you are being sarcastic.
IMHO G has the two indexes (standard and supplemental) and mixes and matches them in questionable ways with odd comparisons. Very confusing and leads to all sorts of redirections, URL removals, and other things that don't help people simply work on content.
....edited....
...there will be some blending of these two data centers. If you think of 66.102.9.104 as the first order effect and 66.102.7.104 as the second order effect, that won't be far off.
...maybe meaning...
Bode Miller's time of 1min 42.24sec after two runs was enough to edge first-run leader Frederic Covili off the top podium step... ;)
First order effect to work out the canonical url of the site in a site:domain.com search. (still being worked on I assume as they have not got it as right as they did the other night)
Second order effect to apply rankings based on the Canonical url? (I wonder - 66.102.7.104 appears to have fixed Some Canonical problems in a different way)
Googleguy - just some feedback so far on 66.102.9.104 - as I have mentioned some homepages have not been crawled recently due to the canonical problem - these sites dont have the homepage at the top :( - also some sites still are not ordered correctly.... flux?
in my opinion, to fix the canonical problem on 66.102.9.104 would mean again some heavy changes in direction to 66.102.7.104...i dont think it ll be just a minor flux...
Sarcasm aside, the question was whether or not your results were consistent on both datacenters.
Why a 66.102.9.104 T-Shirt? - for your site it does not look that 66.102.9.104 is in any way better than the other DCs - from what I can see.
In fact in normal search result (eg not site:domain.com) this DC does not really look much different to me than others in the pervious Jagger2 Group - eg 66.249.87.104 - it is just the site search ordering that is new (As far as I can see)....So I assume people voting for this DC are voting for the Jagger2 results (Jagger3 does not look like it has effected the real world serps yet for to me)
g1smd - Assuming that order level 1 is fully fixed in 66.102.9.104 for all sites (not yet I know) - then supplementals are showing last in the site search result - if this ordering effect is then applied to the serps - rather than just site searches then supplementals may go deep (lol - never forgotten though it seems)
So - OK Dayo theory at the moment is the ordering effect has been applied to site search (though still in flux) - this ordering effect now therefore needs to be applied to the whole serps. (I assume once it has figured out the ordering effect for more sites)
If supplementals are doing what they supposed to do - eg only appearing on very obscure searches then I would be happy enough with that as a supplemental fix - the problem being recently that the supplementals were ranking to high - including out-ranking own internal pages that are better matches and removing them from the result (eg 2 results from the site)
>>Reseller
Why a 66.102.9.104 T-Shirt? - for your site it does not look that 66.102.9.104 is in any way better than the other DCs - from what I can see.
In fact in normal search result (eg not site:domain.com) this DC does not really look much different to me than others - it is just the site search ordering that is new (As far as I can see) <<
Good morning Dayo!
Have just returned from airport. Our 17 years old daughter left to Italy at 7 am (GMT+1) and we were up and running since 4 am. Not much night sleep, so Iīm gonna visit the bed for few hours rest ;-)
Strange how we parents feel without our kids; FREE again, but miss her already now.
I guess you are right about 66.102.9.104. It just look as good as the others. But I like that feeling to see my home page (PR5) at the top when run command site: . Canīt remember when was the last time I saw it at top. Otherwise, it was always secondary pages (PR3-4).
In addition, I can see my "A" page which you know "Free online widgets" is at top 10 again!
Jaggeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer3. I love ya :-)
Bed..bed
- In a previous post someone said being happy because when running the site:www.example.com the homepage was coming first.
--->> I have never seen google showing the homepage first unless you type "site:www.example.com example"
But may be I'm wrong, I need to understand this one :)
BTW 66.102.7.104 shows supplementals while on 66.102.9.104 it seems to fairly vanish
[edited by: followgreg at 8:11 am (utc) on Nov. 6, 2005]
If yes, check next for
site:yoursitename.ext -www
Do you see results?
If yes, you probably have suffered from a dupe content penalty
If no, take a unique phrase out of one of your articles. Put it into quotes and search for it.
Check the results. If you see your site coming up with that phrase more than once, check the results - maybe you have print versions of your articles or your articles can be opened under more than one URL.
If you find results on other pages and if the content is truly yours ask the owner of the other page to remove your content. Same content on other page could cause dupe content penalty too.
Check your page for unintentional black hat techniques too: hidden text, keyword stuffing, cloaking and so on.
