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So what are you going to do, go on strike? Please do, less competition :)
Page rank on the google toolbar for all my sites is now 0. Am I correct that if I had been banned then the pagerank bar would be greyed out the way it is if you are logged into a secure site like your bank account. If it is white and mouseover says PR is 0 out of 10, then google has not banned me, just thinks I'm not worth much.
Theoretically this is the case, or at least that the site isn't listed. But I would much rather do a site:www.yourwebsite.com search
If nothing else, this update has focussed my attention on my sites, and I have discovered a few errors to fix! But I do miss the traffic!
why employ an seo?
There is an inherent conflict of interest where an SEO has to make unrealistic promises to a client to get the account and the search engine(s) have allowed SEO to run riot so that all must use it--and then BAM, a crack down because of abuse...
A severe lack of coordination, where spam and abuse are the opposite of coordination.
Markets are about making the other guy bleed, deal with it. I have always avoided SEO because I saw this day coming, my biggest surprise is that it took so long, shame on you Google.
Atomic check at
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Oh man, you didn't even read it!Working people in all walks of life join together in unions to gain a voice at work. Union members have a say about pay, benefits, working conditions and how their jobs get done -- and having that say gives them a "union advantage."This is within an organization! Are you saying you work for Google? Read it and get back to me.
I have just sent a spam report on that Union site.... we can't have this kind of nonsense getting in the way of us spammers.
Site: on all my sites says not found, but a google search on the mainword (www.mainword.com) finds several hundred pages and several hundred more that link to me, for all the sites. I have done link exchanges over the last 2 months, but only with sites where the main topic is the same or a subset of mine. Only about 150 links across 7 sites.
I'm a tad confused - I don't think I have done anything that google should consider black hat, but I've only a year in this game, so maybe? I have regularly checked #*$! and built pages that target high KEI search terms from wordtracker, but they are 100% original, and took a fair bit of research, so at least to me they have value! They also include original conclusions, that I would want to be exposed to if I was researching that topic.
I suppose I will wait until after jagger3 and check things again.
Now go easy on the chap.
My site has just dropped down and down throughout these updates - I hope there are some better changes for me in jagger3!
I was just reading something elsewhere that was talking about how the age of a link might be a factor in the ranking process. Someone then said that the data storage needed for that would be enormous; just where would they store it all?
Then it hit me... it is in the cache copies of all those junky old supplemental pages from 18 months ago that Google will not throw away... that's where all the old linking data is stored.
I guess as a project manager I should have had a better risk management plan, and diversified my advertising space and my methods for getting hits. Lesson learned, and I'm doing it now.
Could be, but that is an terrible amount of overhead to carry just for dates.
Good concept! What about a union of artists against galleries not displaying their work?
fwiw: I'm not one of the some, but I've met more than a few of the some over the years
Sort of like the thieves guild?
How can Google see visitors clicking round your site (they can if adsense is delivered to the page, but there is no other way)?
If they could, then all that the spammers would do would be to let multiple clickbots traverse their sites faking the visitor numbers...
I spent years in the corporate world. There are many unions there, and the trick is to find common goals amongst the competitors for the business. And then use the resources of those competitors to promote the acceptance of those common goals.
After that it is every man (or person) for him(their)self.
The union can create the brand awareness, but then you are on your own.
If a group can make google listen to webmasters that would be great. To get google to listen to you as an individual webmaster requires that you asist in getting them to listen to webmasters, and then get them to listen to you specifically. Good Luck, but I believe it can be done, if we focus on the benefits to google, as google see it.
How can Google see visitors clicking round your site
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[edited by: randle at 9:40 pm (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]
I would just suggest it be free, and donations are welcomed. I will build it and host it.
>> There are many unions there, and the trick is to find common goals amongst the competitors for the business. And then use the resources of those competitors to promote the acceptance of those common goals. <<
The idea is not to stand up to G, but to help move close to what everyone understands the standards for SERPs are. Give us a bit more rational while the majority of our livelihoods have disappeared before our eyes. AND don't pull that crap that SEs are not there to be depended on. YES THEY ARE. As large and controling as they are, they deserve to be depended on. Furthermore, allow us the webmasters to discipline our own versus have some big gorilla tell us how to behave. It will be important for this type of union to have a close relationship with all the SEs. Whether this is blue skies or not, someone is bound to come out and do a remake of DMOZ with more of a lobby arm. Until then, let's all keep our eyes closed and stick our noses as far up where the sun don't shine.
Now, I see it as this. Simple. All our monies have been relocated into that over rated stock. We are all scratching our heads on where our revenues went. Guess where it's at? Dig your nose deeper, you might get a sniff of it.
For those interested in uniting, sticky me and perhaps we can get some sort of framework going.
PS. Go ahead and try explaining to dubnoir below what happened to him on Sept. 22nd. I am sure he will be rational and in complete understanding.
[edited by: Yippee at 9:57 pm (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]
Prefetch can be refused and not every one uses the google tool bar.
Google however sure has a pile of places it taps into things so it has somewhat of an idea.
can you tell us what happened on September 22nd? what measures were taken?
cheers, dn
The only common goal is to get good rankings. There is no stick to wave in order to achieve this. There's no motivation or reason why Google should listen to webmasters in order to help them get free traffic! In fact, the Google line should be "Pay us and we will show your site.... the more you pay, the higher we will rank you" - its called adwords.
People who suggest that Google owe us because they use our content to make up their pages are missing the point. If Google doesn't show your site... then they are not using your content! If they are, sit back and enjoy the ride. The words 'gift' and 'horse' come to mind.
Google however sure has a pile of places it taps into things so it has somewhat of an idea.
At the heart of it, Google is a data mining monster. There collecting incredible amounts of information and they are a lot more interested in user behavior than whether your site has a few extra key words stuffed into it.
[edited by: randle at 10:00 pm (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]
People who suggest that Google owe us because they use our content to make up their pages are missing the point. If Google doesn't show your site... then they are not using your content! If they are, sit back and enjoy the ride. The words 'gift' and 'horse' come to mind.
