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Google Update Bourbon Part 3

         

Sweet Cognac

8:35 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Continued From:

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My whole site has a new cache date of May 25th. Maybe once these other sites around me get recached, I won't hold such an honorable top position. But at least Google has found my pages worthy to sit in the Search again.:) It seems strange to look at the stats and see Google in there, after 6 months of just seeing Yahoo and MSN referrals.

My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]

MikeNoLastName

5:33 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Ya know... I was just thinking...
We were dumped on this update. When we search for the exact first sentence of our home page in quotes, we get: Your search - "..." - did not match any documents. and no results come up. Whereas if we search for the exact title of our site in quotes we do come up around 10-12 AFTER a bunch of sites LINKING us. Is it conceivable and consistent with others findings that G lost a bunch of the full-page text data (or at least is broken and lost the ability to search on it) and is only searching on Title and anchor content at this point with the later taking precedence? Just a wild conjecture...
Think about it, test it out and let me know what you all think.

Sweet Cognac

6:15 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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When I search for the exact first sentence on my site in quotes, it is the only website that comes up. But, it has a new cache date of May 27.

So for the last 3 days I've seen new cache dates of May 25, May 26, and now May 27. Interesting.

Sorry, if this is not helpful information

Will Spencer

6:20 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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1) Site size

About 440 pages.

2) Outbound links

Very close to zero outbound links on the entire site.

3) Inbound links

Google says 152 to the main page.

Yahoo says 2,250.

Lots and lots of deep links.

4) Adsense

Yes. Before the update, I was making great money with AdSense.

5) Content updated regular?

Yes.

6) Adwords

No.

And... it seems to me that a lot of sites which got hammered by Bourbon were content sites which only provide information and do not sell anything.

7) Age of site?

A little over one year, at this domain name.

8) Use of no follow tags on forums?

My site had no forum.

9) Location of host sever

Fort Collins, Colorado.

10) Dedicated or shared hosts?

It's my own FreeBSD box, but I run about 20 domains on it.

11) Redirects?

Multiple site redesigns have left me with a large .htaccess file.

12) Scrapper sites linking to you / content theft?

My site targets keywords so uncompetitive that scrape sites do not find it worth their time to target me.

13) Are you listed in dmoz?

No. Been sitting in the queue there for over a year.

Waiting more than two years on some of my other sites.

14) Listed in Yahoo directory?

Nope.

15) RSS feeds on site?

Nope.

16) Pagerank ( before it dissapeared )

Site was PR6.

17) Extra domains pointing to main domain?

Old domain is 301'd to the new domain.

18) Search engine friendly archives producing same content on different urls inside site?

Nope.

19) Did you bother taking LSI into consideration with onpage content?

Nope.

Clint

6:25 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)



****Ya know... I was just thinking...
We were dumped on this update. When we search for the exact first sentence of our home page in quotes, we get: Your search - "..." - did not match any documents. and no results come up. Whereas if we search for the exact title of our site in quotes we do come up around 10-12 AFTER a bunch of sites LINKING us. Is it conceivable and consistent with others findings that G lost a bunch of the full-page text data (or at least is broken and lost the ability to search on it) and is only searching on Title and anchor content at this point with the later taking precedence? Just a wild conjecture...
Think about it, test it out and let me know what you all think.***
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If I search for my biz name (two words, and the only name in existence), in quotes: My site does show now on the first page, but LAST, and only after (in this order): 1. A bogus false incorrect hit; 2. Some sites linking to me withOUT my permission; 3. Some sites linking to me WITH my permission; 4. A LYCOS search page IN ITALY; 5. One of my OTHER field-RELATED websites which link to my main site; 5. One of my FORWARDED DOMAINS that point to my main site (which were NEVER submitted!) All rather SENSELESS considering my main site SHOULD BE FIRST, as it has been for years....until last weekend.

Without quotes it's pretty much the same thing, mostly sites linking to me (link exchange pages), but worse, I don't show until the 3rd page. Personally I do think it's great link exchange pages are showing up, HOWEVER, not before my own damn website!

If I take a line of text from my index/homepage and put that in quotes, I'm 1st but there are only TWO TOTAL hits. The other hit is a site linked to me in the UK. There should be a lot more than that (and there WERE) since some of those linked to me use this same text.

If I take a line from my <title> tag and paste it in Google in quotes, I'm the SECOND hit of only TWO HITS. First is another "link farm" type directory page (ipexpress.co.uk) which I NEVER KNEW ABOUT, that copied my title tag. Again, my last sentence in the above paragraph should hold true for this as well.

Franky I couldn't care less about my biz name, since it's just it's name.com, nor a specific line of my-site-only text, since who searches for that? What has me having a nervous breakdown is all the hundreds of previously 1st place search phrase for which I WAS found, have GONE, and in my place are bogus hits, link farms, shopping directory pages WITH GOOGLE ADS, spamming sites, sites with hidden text, etc., etc., and a whole S***LOAD of sites in INDIA! (Now I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact my hosts are from India? Hmmmmm. They are not located in India, (at least their hosting service is not), but that's where they are from. FAIK they could be in India themselves and answer email from there, and their servers are just in the US. I've been wondering about this a lot lately.....wondering if they had anything to do with me being trashed and replaced by non-relevant sites in India?)

Clint

6:27 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)



When I search for the exact first sentence on my site in quotes, it is the only website that comes up. But, it has a new cache date of May 27.
So for the last 3 days I've seen new cache dates of May 25, May 26, and now May 27. Interesting.

Sorry, if this is not helpful information


In my message #174 I just posted, the hits I mentioned there were I was found don't even show a cached date!

MikeNoLastName

6:30 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I think I JUST found my problem! I've been 302 hijacked! some @#$@#$ from .cz with an e-mail at google.cz!

I kept searching for the first line of my website as indexed, but it looks like they index my description metatag and NOT the page content. So when I searched for the first line as shown on the G description (which is an older version of the first line or two of my home page text and a word or two different), it found nothing, because apparently G doesn't search the description metatags...
Anyway, when I finally copied the line directly from my HOME page, I get two autogenerated redirect pages from this #$@#$ site followed by my own.

Heads WILL ROLL! Grrrr!

HostingDirectory

6:33 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Will Spencer, Clint please use [webmasterworld.com...] to answer the check list as webmaster world has now approved my checklist thread.

Also please note:

When refering to the site size.. i mean the amount of k on the homepage. Is your site homepage larger than 100k for example.. maybe G doesnt like large homepages?

Dayo_UK

6:34 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)



Seeing something happening on 66.102.9.104

Looks like a lot more supplementals have been dropped. - Sometimes dancing in and out on other dcs.

Hmmm. Keep on dancing. (This is the dc that I saw for 2 seconds a couple of nights ago I think too)

Clint

6:35 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)



I see someone mentioning RSS feeds, what could that have anything to do with it? Interestingly, a day or two before this BS happened, I DID add a different RSS feed to ONE of my pages! I pasted it below if anyone thinks it matters. It's security info from WindowSecurity.com. It appears to be just for appearances. Now what I had in it's place was similar, but it was lines of ".rss-item" objects, and no .rss-"feed" as seen below.

<style type="text/css">
.rss-feed{
background-color:black;
color:white;
}
.rss-feed *{
text-align:left;
}
.rss-header *, .rss-footer *{
text-align:center;
}
.rss-header a{
color:white;
font-size:10pt;
}
.rss-item-title {
background: transparent
url('http://images.windowsecurity.com/li_new.gif') no-repeat center left;
padding-left: 20px;
font-size:12pt;
font-family:Verdana;
font-weight:bold;
}
.rss-item-title a {
color: #ff0000;
text-decoration: underline;
}
.rss-item-title a:hover {
color: #CE7208;
text-decoration:none;
}
.rss-item-description {
margin-left:20px;
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:9pt;
}
.rss-item-ext-date {
margin-left: 0px;
color: #ffffff;
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:8pt;
padding-center:0px;
}
.rss-item-ext {
padding-bottom:40px;
margin-left:20px;
}
.rss-item-ext-author {
position:absolute;
visibility:hidden;
}
</style>

Will Spencer

6:36 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



We could test whether Google is punishing us for on-page optimization or some off-page factor by moving our content to new domains.
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