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"If you are a small online store that sells an item that happens to be sold by the big guys, this is a bad day for you."
Nah - I rank above the big guys in for many products in regular google. Now it's just a matter of working it out so that I rank well in Froogle, too. It's simple - find out what it's looking for, then give it to 'em.
GilbertZ: Sorry you had to redo your preferences. Hope you got it fixed like you like it now though. :)
I tried it out and I am sorry to say that the results were very disappointing! However the concept is nice.
I have thought about starting a thread titled,
"How To Optimize For Froogle" :)
Hopefully since this is beta the results will change, or how about submitting your e-commerce site to Froogle?
I'll pass on the Froogle blanket for now!
[edited by: mahlon at 5:26 pm (utc) on Dec. 12, 2002]
Just submit your datafeed to them and work with them during the beta, offering suggestions and hopefully you'll included as well.
I think Google has realized that there can be a balance of "doing the right thing", and still be a strong competitive business. Most businesses think cutthroat is the answer. I hope that Google always maintains it's altruistic attitude toward doing the right thing and doing it best. I believe that Google's humble attitude is what will keep them on top for year's to come.
"It is far more impressive when others discover your good qualities without your help."
--Judith S. Martin
My product also isn't on Google, but all you have to do is email the nice people there and they'll tell you how to get included.
Once we're in there we can then work out how to get listed better. I think this is a great new game! I'm excited that people will now have a search engine that will allow them to look for products.
joined:Oct 19, 2002
As some of you know I am not a big fan of Google’s - but I will wait and see for a while before I comment on this new development.
very reassuring, GoogleGuy.
"always more a webmaster can learn" -
i'm the first to admit, especially when it comes to the occult world of seo, if ignorance was bliss i'd be giggling too hard to type. i'll keep pluggin'.
GoogleGuy, the products we sell are pretty self explanitory, and only really have a short description (or title). IF there is a long description, it only included the dimensions of the items, or whether or not batteries are included, etc. Does Froogle care whether or not the items are really descriptive?
Also, we have about 5000 products or so... Will Froogle really want all of them, or should we scale down?
If Google really only wants the actual online stores in the catalog, then how is Google going to be able to handle situations like I've mentioned? No offense to you affiliate sites out there, but I've got enough competition in the Google engine. One of my competitors has over 500+ affiliates. I have none. I would like at least a fair shot in this new arena.
joined:Dec 4, 2002
The only thing I can suggest is what has been already suggested here.. Make it easier to sort the product results. I submitted a request to Google this morning to get the information regarding submitting a feed. I received an auto-reply that they would get me the info soon. GG.. Any idea how long this will take. I want to let my guys know if there is overtime this weekend!
Best of luck to Google on it's latest and greatest venture.
Oh, to all of you who are doubting Google's integrity regarding becoming an affiliate.. I have yet to see Google lie to us in the past and doubt they will start now.
Qball0201 pointed this out, but I think it is indeed funny, when I did a search for "Windows XP book" the 10th or so listing was a book for $764536257.00 , which is actually the ISBN for the book 0764536257. (The book is $14.99).
joined:Oct 19, 2002
I have yet to see Google lie to us in the past and doubt they will start now.
I don't like this at all. I did a search for a used Cure CD and it came up with all sorts of garbage. Amazon seems to be more precise.
Froogle is in the Beta stages just now. Give them a chance. I am certain that with Google technology, and the concern they have for providing relevant results, everything will fall into place. My bet is that Froogle will blow the doors off the other sites offering the same sort of thing. :)
Give it some time.
One thing I'm not keen on:
All the world's products in one place.
Hopefully that's just premature; I don't think it's a fair description yet.
joined:Nov 20, 2000
I stand to be corrected... but I expect the 'data feed' to be convoluted and difficult for the sole trader to address.
I've emailed Google on this, but no response so far.
My personal scenario, in which I own a handful of products, is that my credit card payment mechanism is bespoke, sort of. I use ShareIT for some, and a home written one for others.
None of these products show up so far... even though the web sites are US based and the products are all purchased exclusively in dollars.
I await with interest their response... but I expect to hear the worst.
The window of equality of opportunity closes alittle further.
[edited by: sun818 at 6:46 pm (utc) on Dec. 12, 2002]
Price vs. Price w/ Shipping. - The classic ebay auction bait and switch. But with ebay all products are in the same site, with Froogle you really don't know what shipping will be until you try to order. It will be very simple for merchants to lower prices and bump up shipping. I think this is going to be a huge hurdle for this service to be widely accepted.
As a small merchant I think this has the ability to be a great service, espcially with the free data feed. It just depends how google ranks sites, and products. Right now looking at a few searches they are dominated by target, sears, REI. In other words the biggest merchants....
MeditationMan and Mario11779, I think you've got exactly the right take on things. mahlon: I think those German eBay pages that you see are probably affiliates rather than sites that crawled eBay. Not positive, but I've seen that much more often.
Napoleon, I've got a pretty high opinion of your abilities based on your posts--I have faith in you. I think (not positive) that the data feed is tab-delimited text, and data can be uploaded via FTP. I know the folks that worked on it wanted to make it easy to do data feeds.