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Site Match delivers:
1. Higher quality search results for users, especially by reducing the amount of search spam (spammers are economically disincented to participate)
2. A clearer, more consistent way to interact with Yahoo! Search Technology for content providers who historically have been subjected to unpredictable changes in the way their content has been discovered and presented by search engines.
As we’ve said elsewhere, we think these benefits are of value to many businesses, and the considerable demand for the program we’ve seen thus far would seem to support that. However, the program may not be valuable to everyone. We understand this – not everyone wants or needs the value-added service that Site Match offers. And that’s OK, because it’s likely that we already have your web pages in the regular crawl, and if we don’t yet, then we are working on getting them in over time. Discovering and indexing all of the content on the internet for free is a cornerstone of our mission to provide the highest quality search experience on the internet.
Q. Will Yahoo! Search results favor sites that pay for the Site Match program?
A. Absolutely not. Payment is not for placement or ranking in search results. Our focus is on delivering the highest quality search experience on the web. As a result, all web pages are algorithmically ranked in the results based on their objective relevance to each specific search query in order to ensure the highest quality search experience for users.
Q. Will the Inktomi index be merged with the new Yahoo! index before Inktomi disappears?
A: Yes. Today there is a single, new Yahoo! Search Technology. This new search engine powers Yahoo! and will shortly also be powering the search solutions of all our partners. The search engines operated by the companies we acquired, including Inktomi, will no longer power our search results. Yahoo! Slurp, Yahoo!’s new crawler, is already reaching and indexing more of the web than any of our prior technologies did.
Q. If I participate in Site Match, will my site be “banned” from the search index?
A. No. The Site Match and crawling systems are separate (one doesn’t affect content in the other) and participation in Site Match does not result in changes to the index. For instance, if you submit 1 page to Site Match, other pages that may be in the regular index will not be affected.
However, content from both systems is reviewed and evaluated against the same criteria to ensure all content meets a consistent, high quality standard. If you joined the Inktomi Search Submit program, for example, you may have been reviewed. If problems were discovered, your site may have been partially or entirely removed from the search index. The same thing happens to sites that have been discovered through the free crawl process; if problems were discovered, your site may have been partially or entirely removed from the search index. Any review-related penalty is solely designed to ensure the best experience for our users, not to encourage ongoing participation in our inclusion programs.
For our new Site Match program, we’re considering providing content providers with a formal method way to appeal perceived penalties. Please stay tuned…
Q. Does Site Match require both a per-page, per-year fee and a cost-per-click?
A. Site Match has a much lower up-front cost (less than 1/3) than the 3 programs it replaces: Inktomi Search Submit, AltaVista Express Inclusion, and FAST PartnerSite PFI. One concern with the old programs was that some sites paid upfront and then got relatively few clicks (a common scenario for very specialist sites). This resulted in the service working out to be quite expensive on an effective cost-per-click basis. The new cost-per-click pricing is more equitable in that it scales with the value the program provides to each participating site. In addition, we offer a range of budgeting options that allow content providers to cap their spend at whatever levels they are comfortable with. Finally, and most importantly, cost-per-click pricing helps ensure a high quality user experience. Cost-per-click pricing motivates content providers to submit only relevant content (no one wants to pay for an irrelevant click), further improving the quality of the search experience for users. Without CPC pricing, content providers have no incentive to provide high quality content and avoid gaming the system.
Q. What concerns me with the new Yahoo! PFI system is a lack of geotargetting. With the current Inktomi PFI, if someone outside my intended area clicks on my page in the SERPs, I don't care - I pay no extra for that. It's just a free click. I currently receive about 15% of clicks from countries I don't do business in.
= Q. Does Site Match allow URLs to be targeted to specific countries?
A. Yes. In fact, Site Match does support geotargeting. Through the Overture-branded system, just log in (after subscribing) and go to View/Edit URLs. Click Edit for each URL and you’ll see options to target by region or by country. This is another feature that helps us deliver a higher quality user experience. In the example cite by this post, the user actually would have had a suboptimal experience – they clicked on the page of a business that couldn’t address their need. By offering geo-targeting we enable content providers help make both their experience and the experience of the user better. This is another example of how we are leveraging this program to help us deliver the highest quality user experience.
Just talk for yourself, and don´t play judge.......
Sorry, I only have one site, and ever been banned by anybody else, an I ever played, lets see if they catch me, I can´t afford to do that.
I think they did well catching you.
Percentages is who they SE are after. He pushes the envelope as far as he can with SEO, and knows that once one of his sites gets booted he will create or already has similar sites.
Percentages doesnt understand what running one legitimate site is about. Not all businesses are set up to be able to spam search engines. Most of us have real businesses to run and arent into the "game" as he calls it.
People like Percentages are the reason why good sites get caught up in this broad net.
Helen, if you are playing in a big arena it is totally naive to believe that you will not face the wrath of competition.
I deal in a very competitive environment.....big money at stake, big winnings to play for, and I expect my competitors, and SE's, to cut my throat without a second thought.....heck I would do it to them, so why not!
There are millions of dollars per year to play for.....you really think we are going to be subservient in that environment? No way....we play to win, I respect my competitors every time they do something underhand and get away with it.......I don't whine that they are not playing "fair"......I learn from their good fortunes!
I play to win...so do my competitors......none of us have a rule book. We all try hard and hope we come out on top!
Please speak for yourself, lucky you if you are playing for millons of dolars.....
I only have an small local company, and one domain that costs me 15 dolar/year and my shared hosting is 6 dolar.
Supose you have an fat bankaccount.
Tipically, all rich people that fools others, think everybody is the same.
I reviewed your site several weeks ago, against WW guidelines, and highlighted the problems....and told you what you needed to do to be favored by Yahoo.......all in open conversation.....much against WW guidelines....but the mods let it go!
OT: If you can't figure out how Yahoo works then look and read! It is Google 2002, it is simple stuff, it is quality stuff, Yahoo largely have it right IMHO. Can it be twisted......of course...but so can everything!
I do not even know what you are taking about,
>"and told you what you needed to do to be favored by Yahoo......."
why do I need to do anything to get favored?
If I am not in, I think you are confused.
The only one that told me things is Makemetop, and not in this forum.
>Actually, you instigated the Off Topic conversation.....I simply said that no one has anything to fear from Yahoo.....which is true.
NO, you said: Some sites have been banned.....for good reasons..... I guess even Tim wouldn´t dare to say that, before viewing the sites in question.
You have a short memory.....remember the problem you had with your robots.txt file? The blank line Inktomi didn't like, and why Yahoo/Inktomi wouldn't index your site?
Unfortunately some WW members don't deserve any help! They know it all already ;)
Yup, apologies for that......Sometimes the "holier than thou" folks just get my back up.....apologies again.
>blank line Inktomi didn't like, and why Yahoo/Inktomi wouldn't index your site?
No body ever told me why Inktomi wouldn´t index my site.
I remember I studied 3 weeks if something was wrong with the robot.txt and somebody told me (suppose you) about the blank line, and said I should take away all innecesary metatags..... but that don´t converts me to any spammer, and to play if they can catch me.
I took away some innesary metas, but these were inocents,...
And actuaylly that was before the Yahoo thing, and I wrote Ink about the answer I got from here, and they said that, that couldn´t blocked the slurp, and they gave me the link to their content guidelines, which I read and couldn´t find anything.
And if I know the answer I wouldn´t keep on asking, giving my url out for an checkup.
Sorry, but you can´t tell everybody are black hats,
thats an insult, I try to bee an whitehat, and an lifetime penalty for some metas innesesary or bad done, or an wrongly robots.txt, seems very hard to me.
Actually, if I were an black hat I wouldn´t ask this cuestion to googleguy: [webmasterworld.com...]
It does worries me not to pass the line.
I ever had hidden text, afiliate sites, doorway pages, crosslinking etc.
I can do an mistake, but don´t call me an spammer that play lets see if they catch me.
Thanks for the robots.txt thing, I did fix it.
Regards,
Pd, could some moderator eliminate all these stupid posts?
I would suggest deleting the blank line in robots.txt, one of the validators I used didn't appreciate the blank line, other didn't complain....but who knows?.
Next I would clean up the robots.txt so that it didn't contain superflous entries.
After that I would look at the meta tags and get rid of those that are not really necessary.
Your site should be in the Inktomi database. I can't honestly tell you why it isn't. But you sure don't need PFI.
It could be excluded for numerous reasons, as you are doing many things I would never attempt, I simply don't know the implications.
All I can say for sure is that if you clean it all up, you will be in Ink.
This is the link to the post mentioned:
[webmasterworld.com...]
please read it...........
Is very hard of you saying that you seen things not following the rules, when that isn´t true.
Trust me, I (just as much as anyone here) know the frustration of these situations. You can go read some of my posts in past threads telling the abbreviated story of what has happened to my site.
I have left out some of the most troubling details because I really respect some of the individuals who have tried to help me along the way. They have done their best. Even Positiontech, who made a gross error and cost us hudreds, if not thousands of dollars, has been doing their best. They were misinformed and advised me to make some changes that lost me hundreds of visits each day. Someday, if I can't get a resolution to this mess, I'll write a book or something :)
Let's either bring it back on track or start a new thread. It's nice to have Yahoo reps here answering questions for a change. We are closer to resolution on some of these issues now, than we ever have been before.
As an example, the vanishing PFI homepage issue has been acknowleded by the Yahoo reps. When I started my crusade 8 months ago, everybody at Inktomi and Positiontech told me that the mysterious penalty didn't exist, and that there was "no-such penalty". The vanishing homepage penalty was simply a figment of my imagination (and hundreds of other webmasters'). But now, Yahoo has recognized and identified the problem. That is great news.
We need a little bit of patience. Trust me, I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION.
Tim and Mike... is there any way you could explain the difference between these two penalties?
1) Editorial Ban - entire site disappears from Inktomi completely.
2) Vanishing PFI homepage ban - After signing up for PFI a sites homepage will vanish from the search results, but the rest of the site remains unscathed.
Perhaps some clarification on that issue would let people know exactly where they stand if their sites are banned or penalized. If I understand correctly, there are some major differences between the two penalties and how the sites got penalized.
I don't know how much detail you are able to disclose, but the misunderstandings and confusion regarding this one issue are a source of increasing confusion and frustration by webmasters here at webmasterworld and at other forums around the web.
[edited by: kanetrain at 7:52 pm (utc) on Mar. 15, 2004]
I suppose he didn´t check the post, and remembered bad
So please take all the rubish away.
otherwise, please check this link: [webmasterworld.com...]
We haven't abandoned the boards and do want to answer as many questions as possible in a timely fashion. Please stay tuned.
Yahoo Mike
Tim says:
Q. Will Yahoo! Search results favor sites that pay for the Site Match program?
A. Absolutely not.
Could you tell me why the SiteMatch URLs I just added are making it into the top 4 on keywords when they have zero backlinks (I just made them).
I am not complaining but I have to admit Yahoo's definition of "Favoring" must be different than mine!
