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With Inktomi, I feel completely powerless. I've been scouring the net all day today for better ideas how to get higher rankings, and I'm finding very little. I see a bunch of tips on how to improve the odds of a higher ranking but nothing like the "build more links to your site and target keywords with anchor text" mantra which are words to live by with Google.
About two months ago, we got into the Position Tech trusted feed program, and they are manually inserting over 4,000 pages of our sites every week, automatically. Each page we submit has unique Page Title, Mega Tags, and a lot of content with high keyword density. By all accounts, Inktomi should LOVE us. However, we are so low in their index it is pretty depressing.
Even the people are PositionTech are scratching their heads. It's quite frustraing.
I definitely consider Inktomi's results incredibly random, and therefore no wonder they have more mediocre results.
I guess my question is other than keyword density, meta tags, and page title can I change? What do I have hte power to change? If I rank low in Google, I go trade a bunch of links. Right now with Inktomi, I feel completely powerless to change our fate!
Andrew
PS: We have 160 #1 keywords in Google, and we are lucky to break top ten in Ink.
Have tried every optimization trick in the book, have paid for professional seo, bought seo software, contacted PositionTech (they weren't much help) and still nothing.
Surely I have been penalized for something but no one will give me a straight answer.
Today is the day I was dreading. Yahoo moving to Inktomi results. My only hope is that Yahoo change their algorithm soon to suit my site.
I'm sure there are plenty of other people experiencing the same problem. I'm glad that I have only paid for my home page to be indexed and not 4000 pages.
Will study some more and try to nail down possible impact areas to report here...
Jens
Unlike Google, Yahoo seems to like dynamic content and has indexed about 1500 of 6000 page catalog.
So now I am wondering why they indexed just a part of my catalog.
It seems Google has also started indexing my dynamic content, probably to respond to Yahoo.
For the natural stuff, I found this <snip>. Don't know how much help it is, but there are some things a little different in there that I am going to try.
[edited by: WebGuerrilla at 5:12 am (utc) on Feb. 25, 2004]
I'm sure of this.
It seems to me, the optimization that is working is using both Ink optimization methods + google optimization methods.
I'm fourth for my keywords on Yahoo, but 9th on MSN (msn uses Ink, but if Yahoo did I'd have the same rank there, and I don't.)
Read a few Ink optimization articles about how
Ink is all about on the page optimization. Use the <B> at beginning and end of document containing what your site is about. Use a h1 tag on your homepage. Use alt tags to contain your keyword phrase but re-arranged in each alt tag.
Do optimization tactics for Ink, then build links. I've built 60 for my site. I can't appear on Google - but I gave up on that a while ago after Google just didn't make sense anymore.
I just did Ink optimization and built links and then I was good.
Just do a search on google or whatever for inktomi optimization and you'll see some good pages telling you exactly what to do.
The H1 and Title tag only contain this 2 word phrase.
I added a short and relevant entry ever other day for two months.
The kw density is high (15-17%), I used lots of synonms and linked heavily in the paragraphs to relevant pages on other sites.
To my astonishment I came out top in Ink and 5th in Yahoo.
In total I have spent 5 hours max on this website from start to finish - well worth it.
Alex
1) Short titles may be working better. Put the most important keywords/phrases at the start of the title tag.
2) Use commas, no spaces, for the meta keywords tag.
3) Write a useful meta description tag incorporating your keywords.
4) Use a unique description and keyword tags for each page.
5) Use headings appropriately - e.g. H1, H2, H3, etc.
6) Use bold headings where appropriate.
See what works then run it up the flagpole.
Then use <H2> with an EXACT copy of your title.
My question: Will using H1 tags, etc. hurt my Google placement? I read on another WW thread that Google doesn't like those tags. Just curious, as I would prefer not to build another site from the ground up to get good placement on Yahoo.
Still wonder about it actually, but it sure ain't true since Brandy. Not even close.
Of course not.
Using H1,H2 tags is a great way to tell the SE what your page is about.
Of course Ink gives more importance to it than G. But it is definately not a source for penalization.
Everyone seems to have a different approach, but does anyone have anything to share on how they go about figuring out what's important or unimportant?
Everyone seems to have a different approach, but does anyone have anything to share on how they go about figuring out what's important or unimportant?
Also, I like to compare the characteristics of clusters of sites in the rankings: sites 1/2/3 vs. sites 18/19/20 vs. sites 98/99/100. We always find good stuff that way.
No, I didn't pay for inclusion. Should I?
If I pay for inclusion of the site, will th ebot come and crawl the rest of the site?
"h2 is good"
The problem with h1, h2 and all hs, is that they are pretty ugly. The h1 and h2 are huge, and they force a double line break.
How do you get around that? CSS?
Even with CSS we still get that big line break.
Thanks
The problem with h1, h2 and all hs, is that they are pretty ugly. The h1 and h2 are huge, and they force a double line break. How do you get around that? CSS? Even with CSS we still get that big line break.
You can make the H tag look pretty much as you like:
h1 {
background:transparent;
font:bold 30px times new roman,times roman,serif;
text-align:center;
margin:0;
}
No line break :)
I've never mentioned using css to disguise H1's as a whole bunch of webmasters are currently using the technique to spam search engines.
Now you've gone and announced it, loads of newbies are going to abuse it and eventually H1's will be given no importance by search engines.
Nice one ...
(Same thing happened here with alt tags)
What I just wrote is called CSS
"spamming technique" is your opinion. Stick around and read up, you'll surely learn the difference.
Can it be used for spamming? Certainly, but so can just about anything else discussed at WW.
