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With reference to:
64.233.187.99 Copra
64.233.163.100 Copra Variant
64.233.185.107 Original Turd
66.102.9.99 Turd Variant
I get the same results on the first three.
Different on Turd variant
Do you think that Copra will propagate to all Google datacenters?
[edited by: tedster at 9:36 pm (utc) on June 21, 2006]
What I think is that I have optimised my site quite strongly for the first two words, but not the last word LTD, if I had optimised for all three I think it really never would come up, or maybe it would, I might give it a go at some point.
I am watching the keywords to my serps, google seems to be placing more emphasis on my home page. I noticed today where certain keywords would land a person to an internal page, now it takes them to my homepage.
I'm seeing this too.
arran.
All of the DCs that you watch end in .99 to .107, or end in .147 in the IP address.
Yesterday I found a load of new Class-C blocks [webmasterworld.com] that no-one had been watching before.
Today I have found hundreds more IP addresses [webmasterworld.com] that do not end in .99 to .107 and which have significantly different results to those seen on the "traditional" IP addresses.
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It now appears that there are at least ten sets of results out there.
From the new lists I have made, you will see that you were looking at only about 20% of the IP addresses that Google actually uses.
The new lists in the other thread list now list about 75 to 80% of all the IPs that Google use. I reckon that there are still another hundred or so, yet to discover.
The eventual total will easily top 500 and may even be closer to 600.
Results appear steady with the previous index shuffle/update of around 20- 22 May.
I suspect no update on internal links has occurred either.
This situation has been in play for at least 5 months since our sites were restored from a 6 month robots.txt exclusion period placed per a hack attack [ not sure if i can say fully - because of potential engineering probs at Google - or something we've overlooked ]. - Adam - we need help if you're out there 11 months is killing us :)
Still 1 of our sites's page count is going up and down like a "yo-yo" with no sense attached to it [ we are getting pages without the entry page paths displayed! ] . The other sites are "locked" with no movement and a small proportion of results being served.
Can anyone report linking and/or content issues tied in with the existing results that are being served?
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Thanks, everyone -- I now return you to your normally scheduled thread.
[edited by: tedster at 5:02 am (utc) on June 23, 2006]
OOOOH I woke up Grouchy ;-)
Love you all ... Col :-)
for a couple of weeks now, google appears to be displaying a set of results in the morning (I'm in the UK), a different set in the afternoon and then a different set again in the evening. the serps in the morning are the best and majority of my target keywords are page 1, afternoon/evening they are worse or the same as they were before all this hoohaa.
is anyone else getting this? can anyone help me understand it? will it go away or is it here to stay?
thanks :)
Its not healthy.
Obsessing and running countless searches throughout the day is pointless. Good SEO is good SEO. Just because Google is changing something does not mean you are going to suddenly stop and change everything you are doing to become more relevant — not unless you are trying to game Google.
I was going to check it out, but I was tired, and behold the tool was replaced by the no tools message, when I woke up this morning.
I guess Tedster never sleeps.
Turns out that people have been watching only about 20% of the IP addresses that actually exist.
There is no need to watch every single one; you just need a representative cross-section.
In the past, people have reported seeing results that they could not find in the listed datacentres. That was probably because there were several hundred IP addresses that were not on any of the lists that people were using.
In the newly found DCs some of those show only 75 or 90 or 110 million results, and one set shows 200 million.
So of course serps are going to be different and of course there will be different data sets out there. Why in the world would you ever want to monitor all the DC's?
Honestly, instead of watching data centers, I think your time would be better spent cleaning up bad code on your sites, adding fresh and new content, writing articles, getting good links, etc.....
So if you are interested in results from the USA, wouldn't you use an online tool for datacenter watching, that is hosted in the USA?
Has anybody tried using a tool such as {first 2 letters from the fast food resturant with that silly clown, last three letters from first name of star wars villian in black armour) with a proxy server from different countries to see if the results are differnt.
We have had 6 DCs reported as appearing as default on google.co.uk.
Three of these are still serving up Turd results.
216.239.59.104 - Copra
64.233.183.104 - Copra
64.233.183.99 - Copra
66.102.9.104 - Turd
66.249.93.104 - Turd
66.102.9.147 - Turd
Perhaps this explains why todays traffic is down to 35% of yesterdays. ie I assume that some big ISPs are just getting Turd results. I wonder if the UK is bsing used as some kind of test bed for other larger Google markets.
Sid
Turns out that people have been watching only about 20% of the IP addresses that actually exist.
Can you imagine how they laugh at us at the 'plex? I mean, we've been DC watching for how long and we didn't even know a fourth of the IP's of the DC's? And we still don't know how many actual DC's there are, or groups of data, because each physical DC uses many, many IP's.
When MC gets a question that assumes certain things as facts like "I know that X results are showing on X% of the datacenters..." how hard do you think it has been for him to bite his tongue and not say, "Those results are never even viewed publicly!" or "Those results are only intended for viewing in Uzbekistan!"
And I wonder what other silly assumptions that we make that he has to bite his tongue on, when we assume things are one way and they really are totally different.
Surely what really matters is not how many DCs there are but which ones are serving your market, unless you are global of course.
Sid
Probably as hard as we laughed when one guy got 5 billion spam pages indexed :)
Agreed, all this datacenter analysis - with the emphasis on the first four letters of that word - turns me cold. But, once upon a time, I too was guilty! You've got to learn the play the long game - 4 years for me now - and not worry about the tiny twists and turns along the way. Now go and do something more useful!
That's a Turd DC.
Sid
There are a lot of people here who are far more knowledgable than I am and perhaps I missed some really key points. That said, what I am seeing is; A) watching the datacenters is not terribly useful because the results come in anywhere between 2 and 10 flavors, B) since many if not most of the datacenters serve up different flavors at different times, valid information that we gather today may not be valid tomorrow or even a few hours from now, and C) If there is one absolute that we HAVE learned that is of real value (IMHO), it is that we have been observing only the tip of the iceberg (20%) in terms of the number of datacenters that actually exist.
My questions are as follows:
1) I too, have noticed a pattern of at least some datacenters serving up one flavor of results in the morning, another in the late afternoon and yet another overnight. Can we validate this or is it just an anomoly?
2) Of the 500 (or however many there actually are) DCs, is it possible to determine which ones are public-facing so that we can concentrate on them and ignore the others?
3) If we are still experiencing Everflux, can any valid conclusions be drawn until there is a PR and backlinks update and things finally stabilize or do we need to just sit back and wait until Aug/Sept?
It would be a lot easier to read the tea-leafs if G would stop stirring the pot;-)
Any suggestions?
