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Datacenter Watch: 2006-06-21

     
5:39 am on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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With reference to:

64.233.187.99 Copra
64.233.163.100 Copra Variant
64.233.185.107 Original Turd
66.102.9.99 Turd Variant

I get the same results on the first three.
Different on Turd variant

Do you think that Copra will propagate to all Google datacenters?

[edited by: tedster at 9:36 pm (utc) on June 21, 2006]

10:30 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If I use all the words from the dmoz title then it does come up ( no one ever does), if i take off the last word, which is the company type, LTD, it is back to by personalised title.

What I think is that I have optimised my site quite strongly for the first two words, but not the last word LTD, if I had optimised for all three I think it really never would come up, or maybe it would, I might give it a go at some point.

10:33 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I am watching the keywords to my serps, google seems to be placing more emphasis on my home page. I noticed today where certain keywords would land a person to an internal page, now it takes them to my homepage.

I'm seeing this too.

arran.

11:16 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"I bet Amazon.com is feeling the wrath of the Google Henchman right now."
Was time i guess ,plus ,if you do site:www.amazon.com there index does not come up first and pages have 0 PR ,funny init?
11:29 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Across the DCs that you have been watching for many weeks, there are 4 different sets of results in play.

All of the DCs that you watch end in .99 to .107, or end in .147 in the IP address.

Yesterday I found a load of new Class-C blocks [webmasterworld.com] that no-one had been watching before.

Today I have found hundreds more IP addresses [webmasterworld.com] that do not end in .99 to .107 and which have significantly different results to those seen on the "traditional" IP addresses.

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It now appears that there are at least ten sets of results out there.

11:40 pm on Jun 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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A few weeks ago, several people were seeing results at Comcast and other places that they could not directly find at any of the known IP addresses of Google datacentres.

From the new lists I have made, you will see that you were looking at only about 20% of the IP addresses that Google actually uses.

The new lists in the other thread list now list about 75 to 80% of all the IPs that Google use. I reckon that there are still another hundred or so, yet to discover.

The eventual total will easily top 500 and may even be closer to 600.

1:13 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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interesting discoveries, g1smd
1:17 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Damn. Someone needs to come up with a full 500 datacenter search tool.
2:16 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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g1smd - What does this mean in terms of us being able to monitor Google's results in a meaningful way, and what does it say about how Google is systematically serving results?
2:31 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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3 key sites that I'm monitoring still appear to be retrieved on content only with no recognition of PR or or IBL's.

Results appear steady with the previous index shuffle/update of around 20- 22 May.

I suspect no update on internal links has occurred either.

This situation has been in play for at least 5 months since our sites were restored from a 6 month robots.txt exclusion period placed per a hack attack [ not sure if i can say fully - because of potential engineering probs at Google - or something we've overlooked ]. - Adam - we need help if you're out there 11 months is killing us :)

Still 1 of our sites's page count is going up and down like a "yo-yo" with no sense attached to it [ we are getting pages without the entry page paths displayed! ] . The other sites are "locked" with no movement and a small proportion of results being served.

Can anyone report linking and/or content issues tied in with the existing results that are being served?

3:54 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Sorry to interrupt the flow of this thread, but I must insist that we all follow the Google Forum Charter [webmasterworld.com] here.

No Tools sites or urls please
The explosion of Google related free and commercial site tools
has opened a flood gate of url dropping to "tools" sites. Therefore,
we request you don't post links to or mention specific "Google
tools" (there are dozens if not hundreds of them now as a result
of the Google API).

There is more than one online tool. More can show up at any time, and they may be owned by members here.

Thanks, everyone -- I now return you to your normally scheduled thread.

[edited by: tedster at 5:02 am (utc) on June 23, 2006]

4:59 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)



Google would love a commonly used 500 DC search tool, they would just sit back and register each DC as a seperate search and tell their poor unsuspecting clients that the market share is increasing. I think a day long abstention, by webmasters, of using these online tools would should let Google know how much they rely on our constantly searching for our favoured keywords.

OOOOH I woke up Grouchy ;-)

Love you all ... Col :-)

7:58 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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hi, another watcher here! As mentioned by someone earlier in this thread i dont have the time to 'data centre watch' but find the whole thing really interesting.

for a couple of weeks now, google appears to be displaying a set of results in the morning (I'm in the UK), a different set in the afternoon and then a different set again in the evening. the serps in the morning are the best and majority of my target keywords are page 1, afternoon/evening they are worse or the same as they were before all this hoohaa.

is anyone else getting this? can anyone help me understand it? will it go away or is it here to stay?

thanks :)

8:13 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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kaybarella , last week (i am in India) google was displaying a set of results that were excellent but I guess day before yesterday Google has changed its datacenter and thus even thgh I am on the first page my serps have dropped two places on all keywords.

Its not healthy.

9:00 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Time consuming data center watching can definitely be dangerous to ones health. The best wat to keep track is to find a good tool that you are comfortable with (there are several), run a few searches as part of your morning routine and maybe a few before you go home for the day.

Obsessing and running countless searches throughout the day is pointless. Good SEO is good SEO. Just because Google is changing something does not mean you are going to suddenly stop and change everything you are doing to become more relevant ó not unless you are trying to game Google.

11:06 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"Time consuming data center watching can definitely be dangerous to ones health"
I keep on say go out enjoy the summer and let google googling.There is no point DC watching as long there is no BACK LINK PAGE RANK UPDATE.
All what you see is temporary ,wait until August as reseler does,then we can talk about SERPS for real.BTW enjoy the sun and beer with a Tequila Sunrise at sunset.
11:13 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Could somebody sticky me that 500 datacenter tool that was mentioned, about 10 threads back, late last night.

I was going to check it out, but I was tired, and behold the tool was replaced by the no tools message, when I woke up this morning.

I guess Tedster never sleeps.

11:17 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There isn't one yet. But there is a list of the IP addresses in the other thread mentioned.

Turns out that people have been watching only about 20% of the IP addresses that actually exist.

There is no need to watch every single one; you just need a representative cross-section.

In the past, people have reported seeing results that they could not find in the listed datacentres. That was probably because there were several hundred IP addresses that were not on any of the lists that people were using.

11:35 am on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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g1smd
what's the point of DC watch ,in all of your 500 DC's have you got something different at the top 2 pages for mainstream keywords? answer=no
google has bookmark a few pages that are relatively OK and keep them there, as we all know ,even if you are at the top 10 but not at #123 your traffic is just crams from the table of the winners of who wants to be a millionaire, the rest positions from 3-10 is the space of experiments made by the guys in Gplex at the after work options....
1:03 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Toothake, one point, just check the DCís PR which may lead to a conclusion like PR depends on traffic!
1:16 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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For a popular search term, the "normal" DCs show 145 or 150 or 130 or 135 million results.

In the newly found DCs some of those show only 75 or 90 or 110 million results, and one set shows 200 million.

1:46 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You have to keep in mind that DC's are a bit regional. If I was surfing for a light bulb in Russia, do you think google should serve me a site in the United States? No, it should serve me a site in Russia correct?

So of course serps are going to be different and of course there will be different data sets out there. Why in the world would you ever want to monitor all the DC's?

Honestly, instead of watching data centers, I think your time would be better spent cleaning up bad code on your sites, adding fresh and new content, writing articles, getting good links, etc.....

3:37 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I realized that datacenters take in account regional effects, but when you are using one of the online tools, wouldn't you see the regional results based on the hosting location of the online tool, and not your location.

So if you are interested in results from the USA, wouldn't you use an online tool for datacenter watching, that is hosted in the USA?

Has anybody tried using a tool such as {first 2 letters from the fast food resturant with that silly clown, last three letters from first name of star wars villian in black armour) with a proxy server from different countries to see if the results are differnt.

4:15 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

We have had 6 DCs reported as appearing as default on google.co.uk.

Three of these are still serving up Turd results.

216.239.59.104 - Copra
64.233.183.104 - Copra
64.233.183.99 - Copra
66.102.9.104 - Turd
66.249.93.104 - Turd
66.102.9.147 - Turd

Perhaps this explains why todays traffic is down to 35% of yesterdays. ie I assume that some big ISPs are just getting Turd results. I wonder if the UK is bsing used as some kind of test bed for other larger Google markets.

Sid

4:22 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Turns out that people have been watching only about 20% of the IP addresses that actually exist.

Can you imagine how they laugh at us at the 'plex? I mean, we've been DC watching for how long and we didn't even know a fourth of the IP's of the DC's? And we still don't know how many actual DC's there are, or groups of data, because each physical DC uses many, many IP's.

When MC gets a question that assumes certain things as facts like "I know that X results are showing on X% of the datacenters..." how hard do you think it has been for him to bite his tongue and not say, "Those results are never even viewed publicly!" or "Those results are only intended for viewing in Uzbekistan!"

And I wonder what other silly assumptions that we make that he has to bite his tongue on, when we assume things are one way and they really are totally different.

4:27 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

Surely what really matters is not how many DCs there are but which ones are serving your market, unless you are global of course.

Sid

4:54 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"Can you imagine how they laugh at us at the 'plex?"

Probably as hard as we laughed when one guy got 5 billion spam pages indexed :)

5:11 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"Honestly, instead of watching data centers, I think your time would be better spent cleaning up bad code on your sites, adding fresh and new content, writing articles, getting good links, etc....."

Agreed, all this datacenter analysis - with the emphasis on the first four letters of that word - turns me cold. But, once upon a time, I too was guilty! You've got to learn the play the long game - 4 years for me now - and not worry about the tiny twists and turns along the way. Now go and do something more useful!

5:21 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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A lot of my missing pages have suddenly appeared again over the last 2 hours on:
[66.102.9.104 ]
5:51 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi Longen,

That's a Turd DC.

Sid

7:54 pm on Jun 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I thought, (perhaps mistakenly) when I started watching this thread, that one of the key objectives was to gather data from the 70 or so datacenters that were commonly known, with the hope of reading something from the results that would be useful in predicting which factors G was using to determine positioning in the SERPs.

There are a lot of people here who are far more knowledgable than I am and perhaps I missed some really key points. That said, what I am seeing is; A) watching the datacenters is not terribly useful because the results come in anywhere between 2 and 10 flavors, B) since many if not most of the datacenters serve up different flavors at different times, valid information that we gather today may not be valid tomorrow or even a few hours from now, and C) If there is one absolute that we HAVE learned that is of real value (IMHO), it is that we have been observing only the tip of the iceberg (20%) in terms of the number of datacenters that actually exist.

My questions are as follows:

1) I too, have noticed a pattern of at least some datacenters serving up one flavor of results in the morning, another in the late afternoon and yet another overnight. Can we validate this or is it just an anomoly?

2) Of the 500 (or however many there actually are) DCs, is it possible to determine which ones are public-facing so that we can concentrate on them and ignore the others?

3) If we are still experiencing Everflux, can any valid conclusions be drawn until there is a PR and backlinks update and things finally stabilize or do we need to just sit back and wait until Aug/Sept?

It would be a lot easier to read the tea-leafs if G would stop stirring the pot;-)

Any suggestions?

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