Datacenter Watch: 2006-06-21

[angiolo]

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

With reference to:

64.233.187.99 Copra
64.233.163.100 Copra Variant
64.233.185.107 Original Turd
66.102.9.99 Turd Variant

I get the same results on the first three.
Different on Turd variant

Do you think that Copra will propagate to all Google datacenters?

[edited by: tedster at 9:36 pm (utc) on June 21, 2006]

[malachite]

I'm not going to open the wine just yet, but I'm seeing some positive changes.

Results that've been haywire for weeks are showing good on some DCs (the ones listed in msg #101). Proper meta tags showing, pages coming out of supplemental, and pages cached this week.

I'm happy :)

<added> oh, and all pages in the index apart from those added this week </added>

[Komodo_Tale]

Are the results for all IPs within one C block, always the same across all the IPs within just that C block?

No

[g1smd]

Just to clarify, I mean 66.102.7.x for all values of x as one DC -- are all those results the same?

Then repeat for each of the other blocks singly and in turn.

[asusplay]

Well, all I know is that I have done everything by the book and waited. One of my sites that seemed to be coming out of the sandbox and was showing (erratically) on the COPRA results has dissapeared from the serps again, and is on none of the <online tool's> datacentres for the keywords it was showing up in before.

Also there are even more supplementals of pages than before. Makes me wonder whether it's even worth the bother of wearing a white hat and working hard (ie being selective and acquiring 'quality' links etc etc instead of just getting links from all and sundry, sitewides, etc which works on Yahoo and MSN) and compromising serps on other search engines if the end result isn't going to get you anywhere. Once again, I feel that Google is a pile of turds.

[edited by: tedster at 2:48 pm (utc) on June 28, 2006]

[reseller]

Hi Folks

Updating. It seems that the folks at Googleplex either are tweaking or have pushed more data to the following DCs which I have posted previously today.

However, within the sector I watch (related to online advertising and marketing) search quality still better than the rest of DCs, IMO.

[64.233.189.104...]

[66.102.9.99...]
[66.102.9.104...]

[66.102.11.99...]
[66.102.11.104...]

Something for sure happening on those DCs ;-)

[edited by: reseller at 10:45 pm (utc) on June 24, 2006]

[oaktown]

g1msd,

The answer is "sometimes"

I just did a check and this group:
64.233.183.99
64.233.183.103
64.233.183.104
64.233.183.107
64.233.183.147

yielded identical results with my key phrase (two words) coming in at 98th

216.239.57.99 - 115
216.239.57.103 - 99
216.239.57.104 - 115
216.239.57.107 - 99
216.239.57.147 - 115

Since we can't count on all the IPs of a particular C block giving identical results, it means they must be sampled individually. We can't just grab 1 IP as a sample and go on that as being representative.

Further, I have to ask, can anyone here state that it is known, as an absolute fact, that each of these IPs goes directly to a specific, individual server? If not (and I think I have seen this suggested elsewhere, earlier in this thread) perhaps each IP is simply a doorway to a server/router whatchamacallit that re-routes the query to whichever server is least busy at that moment.

If we cannot establish some kind of fixed datapoint, I don't believe that we can draw any conclusions and expect them to be valid.

[petehall]

Same 6 DCs still not converted.

A variant of Copra is apparent on a couple of DCs.

I am seeing PR on / off occasionally on some pages.

[300m]

Hello Everyone:

I have noticed something and wonder if some of the experts can shed some light on my situation.

It seems that one of my domains is making its way back in to better rankings. Its a 301'd site and flip flops every time they have a data refresh.

I have another site that does the same, but that one is not showing better rankings. That site has a 301 as well, but it also has 2 domains that are 301'd to the www primary domain.

It gets really frustrating for me because when the index for my sector looks right (not dominated by huge directories, news sites and spammers) that domain cleans up.

But when its not doing well and those sites are there, its dropped out of the index completely.

I have no duped content, and I don't spam. Both doamins are aged (5 years or more) and they have always done well in the SERPS. I can understand being bounced, but it is consistent and only happens when they do a data refresh, and it makes me specualte that I must be doing something wrong.

I have checked for bad links, cleaned up (over a year) the way link exchanges are handled. Updated content, added hundreds of unique pages with original content. Researched competitors etc..

I have put hundreds of hours in to this and I can not for the life of me figure out why Google has such drastic data refreshes regarding my sector. I also am stumped, why some keywords that are quite competitive have kept me in the top positions during every single update over the past year on these domains,but the others that are aged just as much, and equally as relevant for the keyword i have targeted stay in a state of drastic constant everflux.

I have been out of the loop for the past 2 months doing other things, but if anyone has some suggestions as to what I can look in to that is a little beyond the norm, please hook me up.

Thanks

[lgn1]

Maybe those 6 datacenters will become the new Google test datacenters, and will never update to Copra.

Things have been steady for a week now.

Im not sure why Brett, has not declared the Copra update.

[toothake]

"petehall
Same 6 DCs still not converted
reseler
search quality still better than the rest of DCs, IMO.
Maybe those 6 datacenters will become the new Google test datacenters, and will never update to Copra.
Im not sure why Brett, has not declared the Copra update. "
BECAUSE THEY ARE COPRA AND GOOGLE WILL NOT EAT COPRA
btw the 6 DC's are my default .co.uk and com until now ;)

[phpdude]

I hope those 6 DC's stay solid and move to all the DC's.

My default Google is now showing one of them and my site that had the indented index page has now been fixed and returned to the SERPs after a month of MIA for it't own name.

[Hissingsid]

Half of those 6 feed the UK. When folks were asked to report their default .co.uk DC IP there were only 6 reported. Which means that the UK has half good and half not so good DCs.

Are they using us as a test bed?

Sid

[reseller]

Hissingsid

"Are they using us as a test bed?"

I guess so :-)

[Instigator]

For me here in London, google.co.uk keeps switching between turd 66.249.93.104 and copra 64.233.183.99 almost every few minutes. Before, it seemed to be one or the other for most of the day. What are other UK webmasters experiencing?

Hissingsid... have you ever watched The Mint?

[g1smd]

I see that www.google.co.uk is 66.102.9.104 right now.

[trinorthlighting]

Watching DC's is like watching the grass grow...

[jrs_66]

---
Watching DC's is like watching the grass grow...

except when grass grows... it grows

[BillyS]

>>Watching DC's is like watching the grass grow...

Strange that you should say that... I said that six months ago

[webmasterworld.com...]

[garyr_h]

Definately like 64.233.187.104 the best ATM. More of my pages listed and the ones which were listed are at a higher position (mainly because the homepage was listed for most of the keywords instead of the inner pages. On 64.233.187.104, the inner pages are listed so it's ranking much higher.)

[zafile]

One more week to go and the US will celebrate Independence Day.

Are 66.102.9.104 and 64.233.187.104 provinding a hint of things to come?

I think the results a la 66.102.9.104 will prevail...

Is Google preparing some nice fireworks for Independence?

[garyr_h]

66.102.9.104 has 'old' results for my site while the other is listing pages which were just added 1-2 days ago (they got added rather quickly for the site in question) and also is still listing the pages weird; listing the homepage instead of the inner pages. I just hope the other DC is the one which will prevail.

[trinorthlighting]

Some days the grass is long, other days its freshly cut. Sometimes I see it getting cut, other times I do not.

I think I will now go and make a few more quality pages for my site.

[bkleinhe]

66.102.9.104 will not propagate, or if it does, it will quickly be folded in with new data. I've got 50+ sites and the results from this dc fit within an existing pattern..

[Dayo_UK]

[64.233.189.104...]

[66.102.9.99...]
[66.102.9.104...]

[66.102.11.99...]
[66.102.11.104...]

DCs mentioned the other day and:-

[64.233.183.104...]

and sometimes:

[216.239.51.104...]

Are starting to look intresting and a fix for a certain issue for one of my sites are on those DC.

[Hissingsid]

I think the results a la 66.102.9.104 will prevail...

Why exactly do you think that?

Sid

[Hissingsid]

Dayo_UK

Are starting to look intresting and a fix for a certain issue for one of my sites are on those DC.

FWIW.

In my niche those have certain sites missing which should be there and always were there. The algo sitting on them seems to reward purchased links from many pages of the same non relevant site. The top 10 are OK ish but from 11 - 20 is all directories and scraper (so called review) sites. Just plain Adsense and affiliate garbage.

They also look like variants of Turd which are holding on by a thread.

The DCs that are in the majority now (examples:216.239.59.104 64.233.187.104) reward multiple links from one non relevant site less and seem, in my niche to have all of the market leader sites listed in the top 20. Much less garbage and affiliate traps.

Sid

[Dayo_UK]

Hissingsid

Well I dont think they are anywhere near complete.

But those DC show a fix for one of my sites for a certain issue (although looking at allintitles and some other searches those DC look a bit out of line)

Of course the fix may travel to other DCs (hopefully) while the algo may not.

[1984bb]

Hissingsid
"The DCs that are in the majority now (examples:216.239.59.104 64.233.187.104) reward multiple links from one non relevant site less and seem, in my niche to have all of the market leader sites listed in the top 20. Much less garbage and affiliate traps.2
yep .....sites like that
[64.233.183.104...]

[Tigrou]

Still have yet to see Copra used in any meaningful way on .com or .ca here in Canada. It showed up once, on a Saturday for a few hours.

Aside from that it's Turd variants and variants of older results.

[Hissingsid]

Mods:

Can you please remove the URL from 1984bb's post above. Isn't it against terms of use to post specific searches.

Sid

PS I'm sure that we can all find examples of poor results in SERPs from both sets of DCs. That doesn't alter my report of what I'm seeing in my niche.