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9:21 pm on Jun 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Now this is interesting.

A site with 40 000 "real" pages and some 80 000 duplicate content pages excluded using robots.txt (it's a forum - see my prior posts about vbulletin) and still some 80 000 duplicate pages that are not yet so excluded.

Additionally some 500 000 non-thread pages also excluded in robots.txt and most of those already delisted. The whole site is listed as www; nothing is listed as non-www at all.

Looking purely at indexed threads:

site:domain.com shows 90 000 www pages all as normal results; including some duplicate content that will eventually be excluded.

site:domain.com -inurl:www shows 24 000 www pages all of which are marked as Supplemental Results and all of which also have an old cache date. This search should show zero results. It certainly should not be showing www pages at all, the search was for "-inurl:www". What is going on?

[edited by: tedster at 8:44 pm (utc) on June 13, 2006]
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4:17 am on June 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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JoeSinkwitz,

Spot on. We don't rank for our main term blue widgets but we do rank first page for aqua widgets which most people would consider a synonym.

Noticed that for the "blue widget" term they are not showing our homepage but instead the contact-us.html page and a random internal page. They do, of course, rank our homepage for the aqua widget.

Ahh Google you crazy little monkey. Past midnight so off to bed and maybe some sleepy pixey dust will fix it all.

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Major spike in page count today. Went from 500-600 range to 62.000. This is the biggest jump I've seen in 4 months. This is good news for me since I get most search from a long tail of obscure search terms. I had given up on the GOOG and have been cultivating traffic from other sources. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. Well this is a great bonus. I had my best search day today for a long time. Not fantastic compared to the old days but much better than what's been normal lately.

Anyone else seeing any leaps in page counts?

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I see near 10x more results than previously
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We had some wild results in the last 72hrs

Site 1 - Jumped from 20k pages to 150k [ nice round figure :) ... kinda looks strange ]

- Keywords with brackets "widget keyword" in top place

- Same keyword with no brackets not in first 100 results.

- Keyword of widget's name shows an old supplementary page we had. Why not show the new one!

Site 2 - Stuck at 780 pages out of approx 200k
Site 3 - Stuck at 12,800 pages for 4 weeks

I defy anyone to say Google is working properly -

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I'm seeing a 15-fold increase on dcs like 72.14.207.104, 72.14.207.99, and 72.14.207.107. So far my experience has been that my results spread out from those, usually pretty quickly. This started a couple of days ago and really exploded today.
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Hi Right reading

Those DCs are showing a 1/3 less webpages in results compared to my default google. In my main keyterms search that DC is show 10 mill results but my default Google is showing 32mill.

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JoeSinkwitz msg #177, 180
OK now that set of dcs turned to what is called "copra" - oh I lost a good part of my sleep though, had never seen such awful results. Where are they now, who knows. Still in the hopes that all will turn to at least the "turd" results I'm seeing on 72.14.207.99 and the rest! Have never done so much dcwatching before!
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Today i have more visitors than usual.
Are new set of results expanding...?
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Besides singular/plural, if you have had a page completely disappear, instead of
word1 word2
try
"word1 word2"

I have top ten results disappear from the top 1000 for the search without quotes, but with quotes it is where it normally is.

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Hi Steveb,

I just did an experiment using the main target 2 word term I watch.

On 216.239.59.104 which is my current default .co.uk DC showing Copra results the rankings do not change at all but the site at #3 has (whether surrounded by quotes or not) an inset listing at #4 and the title of this is truncated down to a single word when I search for "blue widgets" in quotes but it shows the full page title without quotes.

On 72.14.203.104 with Turd results the site mentioned above is now at #2 with an inset at #3 but here although the rankings remain the same, whether surrounded by quote marks or not, the title of that inset result also remains the same and is not truncated.

Why would that be?

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Maria444,

I had a hard time determining what was Copra and which was Turd pre-Skata since the top #5 are more or less set for this industry...fortunately those nutty, nutty results did move over like you mentioned (at least now I know which one you all are labeling Copra). Needless to say, I had a fitful night.

Intuitively, I couldn't see how a site that was #1 allinanchor, allintitle, allintext would go completely MIA on one major term, but not another. Thankfully, it must have been some sort of data folding going on...call them re-building results?

I don't know how you full-time DC watchers do it; this is maddening. Admittedly, it hasn't been since Florida that I've been this worked up over DC issues.

Best of luck to any of you still seeing wild swings.

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Hi all

Now seeing copra results on 33 DCs Will this ever finish and just proprogate right through?

Also seeing a lot of my old pages being indexed now as well went from 90 to 224 overnight is this the beginning of something?

Pete

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what is that new copra think....another has a J.Arthur? :)
(if you want to know what a J.Arthur is ask yor Dad or Mom (UK only)
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"Sell in May - Go Away"

Google is screwing with us at a traditional time when it is quiet in the Finance industry.

Dont expect things to calm down until end of July, beginning of August.

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"Dont expect things to calm down until end of July, beginning of August. "
Right, that is goin to be a long long J.Arthur....
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Maybe is time to change the name of Big Daddy to J.Arthur :)
any votes?
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Yeah JoeSinkwitz, the “skata” results are gone but they must be somewhere – at that time I thought I was having a bad dream and checked, re-checked on the specific DCs - they were there on all of them.

I am still wondering what the heck these results had in common because they didn’t just come out of the blue without some sort of filtering.

If I remember correctly they were all pages belonging to very large established sites and by large I don’t mean SEOed sites with hundreds thousands pages containing junk (in the sector I watch these pages are now either in the “Omitted”, or the “Supplemental” index or they don’t appear anywhere, even though some are cached). They were sites which with the site: command were showing 1000 pages in the main index.

Did you notice that?

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Steveb,

Yup, non quotes not there, quotes there in first. BTW, in our case seems new person uploaded the homepage into the contact us section yesterday, so maybe its a dupe filter gone wild. Changing back now.

"Dupe Filters Gone Wild" - buy the video today for 9.99.

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Hi Maria and others there is a nice definition of copra here.
[en.wikipedia.org...]
but i keep on insisting at J.Arthur.
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as about J.arthour let's don't keep it a secret
go here
[en.wikipedia.org...]
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sorry here:
[en.wikipedia.org...]
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Exactly, toothake, that's why I named this night's results (gone for now and forever I hope) "skata" - [en.wikipedia.org...] and by the way, you're not comparing G to the Marquis de Sade, are you? Because that's how I felt last sleepless night: Matt is (supposedly) on vacation. They're obviously playing sadistic games with no supervision down there
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My 2c.

Noticing the top 5 results in a very competitive sector seem to all be authoritative directories, such as DMOZ, Y and of cource WIKI's and .edu .org etc

A sector I monitor went frim 70 million results, to 1 billion.

Some keywords are not phases,while others others seem to be somewhere in the monster index.

These results are terrible! Google cannot assume that just because it deems a site as an "authoritative" that it's now an authoritative on everything...

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Maria444,

The pain just doesn't end. Those skata results still exist, but are query-based (maybe backing up re-build theory?). Just getting into the office this morning I'm noticing that those same datacenters have us MIA for a phrase that we're usually anywhere between #2-5 and have held also for about 2 years.

The new top 10 for the skata is pretty bad, with AT&T homepage junk, redirects, Yahoo directory listings, and some sites I thought they had banned a while back.

Like before, I can't actually see the data by going directly to the datacenter even after clearing cookies; so, according to McDar's tool, the below are the crazy DCs for one of the queries...they seem to be fixed for different quereies on the same DCs though (insert picture of me pulling out hair):
64.233.161.107
64.233.161.147
64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104
216.239.39.107
216.239.39.99
216.239.59.147

Edit: I literally just watched the skata disappear from the 216.* sets and then added itself to 216.239.59.107 -- I better click on Caryl's ads as a thankyou for soaking up the bandwidth.

[edited by: JoeSinkwitz at 1:34 pm (utc) on June 15, 2006]

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Yes, I also looked at the tool's results but thought they were not worth mentioning - I'm also in the hopes that the tool gives us old results and try to be as optimistic as possible.

Jaffstar this is exactly what I’ve noticed and mentioned in my post on the previous page. Last night’s results were a nightmare but even on “kopra” this is quite obvious too and it all started (I think) with Jagger, do you agree? Amazon and Wiki took over where relevant sites where more appropriate.

I am now fearing this “policy” might propagate – then we will all be dead corpses soon

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Has anyone been completely wiped out from the index for all their kw's ?
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Hi,

Copra is now on only 16 of the 55 on McDar, the rest are Turd.

There seems to be no logic to what is going on.

Do they know that there are two distinct datasets?

Are they trying to manage the propogation of one of those or are they simply twidling knobs in the hope that eventually they will have reasonable results?

I used to like to try and predict what was happenning on Google now it just makes my head ache.

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Has anyone been completely wiped out from the index for all their kw's?

Surely you mean indexes.

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Hi Sid

I am showing 20 DCs dunno whats happening I think they are just messing about with us.

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Surely you mean indexes.

Correct.

I am on here: 216.239.57.99

Gone from: 66.102.9.99 ....

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