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...intentionally sabotaging its core product in order to do so.
This type of thing does happen, we hear of auto companies building cars less safe to increase profits, or food companies adulterating their recipies, etc.
But typically this will happen when they want to rest on their laurels and milk the good name quickly, often this will happen after a company passes to the next generation or is sold to a new owner.
But Google is at an entirely different stage of its development and less than a year ago had a VERY unconventional IPO, do no evil etc...
They just now pocketed $4B in a secondary stock offering. Yes those new investors want to see profits but to think that a company this new has degraded so far to risk its core product in so little time is just lunacy.
If you think that I suspect it must be a result of those alterations made when you were abducted to that spaceship...
[edited by: 2by4 at 6:51 am (utc) on Oct. 19, 2005]
I see GoogleGuy has posted some "technical info" while the folks at Northern Europe were in bed ;-)
And as the case during Borboun update, I need somebody to translate for me a specific section of what GG posted in msg #:40
What is: a new binary wending its way out from the group of data centers
Thanks!
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msg #:40new post indicator11:43 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (utc 0)
Just to recap:
- I currently expect new PR/backlinks to be visible in a few days. I'll let you know if that changes.
- madweb had an interesting observation in message #816 of this thread:
[webmasterworld.com...]
I believe that there is a new binary wending its way out from the group of data centers that included 66.102.7.x . Most people won't notice much difference between data centers, but I believe that those searches are likely to be closer to what to expect.
So just to set expectations, there will still be quite a bit of flux for people to expect near-term. We'll be setting up a way for people to pass us feedback.
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New code is being distributed across the datacenters. I expect that this has some new filters or algorithmic changes. Typically this is required to fix bugs or add "new knobs" / filters etc.
Now I understand it ;-)
Thanks for the "translation". Much appreciated.
Thanks alot
Ok ...very very very very tiny little small improvement overall...I will still have to keep my bookmark folder open to be sure I will find my favorite sites or I will have to go to Y or MSN though :)
My established sites, 5 years + with substantial backlinks have hardly been touched, only by a couple of positions +- by 1-2. So relived about that :)
My Newer sites, launched aggressively in 2004 which dominate Yahoo and MSN popped out of the so called Sandbox a few months ago at the last update pre sept22.
When these sites were in the so called sandbox, they were all +- 300 in the Serps. And they only ranked for about 1-2 main keywords.
When they came out of the sandbox, they were ranking for 20 + keywords.
It appears that with this so called update, all 20 rankings (post sandbox) are gone, the main keyword that was top 20 went BACK down to 300.
These sites used no reciprocal linking, and actually have not had any new links (only a dozen or so) in the past 4 months. The sites are also squeeky clean.The site has also had no major upgrades in the past few months.
By this I can deduce the following:
A: My keyword which is my domain name, has been used too many times in the anchor text. However, if I look at established sites, where their anchor text is their domain name, they have been untouched. I strongly doubt its this.
B: The site has too few outbound links?
C: Every source of 1 way links, which were topical, relevant, have had a slight devaluation or have been placed in a holding cell.
D: The entire site is back in the sandbox.
[edited by: jaffstar at 7:44 am (utc) on Oct. 19, 2005]
First we were not even allowed to mention the word update.
Then there were arguments about what is or not an update.
Then my three (and only) sites go missing from Google.
Still people seemed in major denial about it being an update.
Then after a month or so and 2000 posts in WW on the subject
it finally gets a name.
Just to add insult to injury the name chosen is a guy from
my home town with whom my elder brother was in the same class at
school...yes I am talking about Mick baby!
can't see why some Google geek needs to drag the name of one
of my heros into this sordid little story.....ughhh!
Anyway... had my little rant now. Please excuse me for that.
Now for the facts about my demise on Google which may
serve to help any other poor sods who have been obliterated
by this update.
FACTS.
1)I have three sites and only three sites all effectivley crippled now
on Google.
2)One has gone entirely suplemental and the other two sites the pages are there
but unfindable for their search terms.
3)Main search term and company name now on page 10 for my main two word
key phrase
4)Previously I had been number one for five or six years on Google.
5)Sector - travel, not afilliates...my own properties.
6)Sites are over 5 years old 1998 and 1997.
7)Link exchanges. Yes, always hated them but since all others around me
were doing it went along with the flow.
8)Link exchanged with about one in ten of those that asked and never went
looking for links.
9)Sites have all been widely scraped, (impossible to avoid for anyone with
a little success it seems).
10)All three sites are fairly small between 50 and 100 pages.
11)All unique content.
12)A little interlinking between sites where apropriate but not more that
say 5 or ten exchanges between sites.
13)Sites have not been affected by any other update.
14)Have PR5 and have for the moment retained that.
15)Backlinks listed on Google as 250-300 for the sites.
Sent a reinclusion request to Google. No reply.
Any suggestionsgladly welcomed.
Any quesitons gladly answered.
Thanks.
Maybe I am misguided, maybe I simply don't understand the technology but if Google don't 'look up' they will bite off the hand that feeds them!
Playing games with the positioning of quality websites is dangerous, sure it may produce more adwords revenue, but it cheapens Google's service, it puts them up there with purely 'pay per click' enterprises.
Google MUST maintain its position as the web's unbiased, authority search utility.
MOST searchers need what they are looking for... not only information but solutions too! Which information appears at the top should be assessed differently.
Being so anal about the conventional results and yet so incredibly lax about who maintains top position using Adwords, is crazy. You can say and do pretty much what you want as long as you bid highest on Adwords, but getting your authority site to be viewed by those who need it (even if it's non profit and there exists no marketing budget) means masses of SEO work! Be one thing or the other Google.. don't be the respected bank manager and then tout loans on street corners at the dead of night!
This update won't be finished for a while.
Note Googleguy message 40 at [webmasterworld.com...]
He's talking about things happening over a period of time.
There's not much use in talking about if you are up or down or what you might need to change tell it's over. That's when the useful discussions begin.
First feedback from Googleguy for months and I was asleep.
Teaches us Europeans to have a different time zone hey.
:)
Hmmmmz - so a Binary push starting on the [66.102.7.99...] DC.
Intresting, lets hope the Binary push is a translation for a fix :)
"There's not much use in talking about if you are up or down or what you might need to change tell it's over".
annej
I agree, "watching an update" is less exciting than watching paint dry.
Chances are, if you are watching paint dry, you probably did the painting, and while "watching" it dry at least you can decide to; run a fan, turn the heat up or down, open or close a window, or otherwise influence how it dries.
On the other hand, if it's not your paint drying, you may be better off doing something productive and stopping back later to see how it dried.
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(and back a hundred messages ago)...
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Somebody just had to do that. Just glad that it wasn't me.
- g1smd
I had to do it, or my brain would have melted from trying to see if or how my sites were affected.
>>can't see why some Google geek needs to drag the name of one of my heros into this sordid little story.....ughhh!<<
Talking about heros, I would have preferred a name from my own generation, for example: Tom Jones, Cliff Richard or the KING himself
Update Elvis ;-)
I noticed someone just asked when this will be over.
>>Damm
First feedback from Googleguy for months and I was asleep. <<
Me too (:(
Usually I'm first or second on the second page for a search. Now I'm last on the first page AND first on the second page, so have both places 10 and 11. Looks funky.
Dayo_UK>>Damm
First feedback from Googleguy for months and I was asleep. <<
Me too (sad
But with a PR 2 for MSN do you think is web politics? or there's something very wrong with this update
In that vein:
I have a couple of sites that got body-slammed. They still have high PR (for what it's worth) they have the same number of pages in the index. They no longer rank for their "pet" optimized keywords (three word phrases).
There is nothing really fancy on these sites seo-wise - just the basics.
Links:
Site 1: All inbounds - few outbounds
Site 2: All recip - no one-ways
Both sites have optmized anchor text. Neither site has more than 50 ibls.
The anchor text is broken down something like:
60% optimized
20% domain name
20% company name
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I also have watched my logs like a hawk and when I see a pattern in search terms I have integrated these terms in my articles. All of a sudden these search terms are bringing in a decent amount of traffic.
I also noticed new backlinks this morning and something has happened today that is increasing my traffic. Could be luck but the BL's are new.
[prweb.com...]
[news.stepforth.com...]
Please do not edit this as it is a release intended from google. The bottom line is that the word is out. It's hitting the public's radar screen.
[edited by: Yippee at 2:43 am (utc) on Oct. 25, 2005]
3 of my sites are also 9-10 years old.
