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Update Jagger, Google Update Oct 18th, 2005

When can we expect a new PR update?

   
5:33 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Continued from here:
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Anyone have any guesses as to when we can expect a new systemwide PR update?
11:20 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Update Jagger
I wonder if I will be singing "I Can't Get No, Satisfaction" or "Jumping Jack Flash"

I think for many of us it's more like "Shattered".

:-(

11:28 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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(See - I told you guys it was an update.)
11:33 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Gimme Shelter.
11:34 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Shattered

That's more like what g__le will say, MSN clearly has them beat and will capitalize on this whole situation, MSN has been providing some serious traffic for us to the point where who cares about g__gle?

11:36 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's not over (I hope). I see at least three sets of results.
11:37 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyone else catch the part in the other thread where SteveB suggested that the actual update has not been implemented yet?

If that is a possibility why not wait a bit longer and see how things shake out. Since we now have confirmation that there is an update going on, underway, coming soon, it makes sense to wait and see how it ends before anyone writes a suicide note.

11:38 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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19th nervous breakdown?
11:41 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The problem with high tustrank sites is that when they start using link exchange and all SEO stuff (looking at 2 results for "online college degrees" type of searches for example) they are untouchable almost.
A dot EDU grants you all rights as it does for other "trusted" sites, overall the system is fine but definetely there are major outcomes there.
Some even sell text links...come on :)

It seems like good old SEO is out....my point is why? Is it better to high rank sites with almost no content or usability? Not sure.

I'm also not sold (for current results on DC's) that the age of a site should always be considered as a possible value added, some old junk sites (you know even some with automated link exchange systems and keywords in-the-url) seem to be back with this update.
Low class affiliate type of sites are back, prepare your wallets :)

11:42 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm new to this and this update really scares me. I've put my site online three day ago, got indexed by google (only my main page) in two days. Got nice search results for combinations of my two keyords. Now, a few miutes ago the other pages of my site got indexed, but to possitions like 560 in the Serps, even though they are quality top 10 material pagese for Serps.
Because puting the site online just now I only have a few back links to my site. What are the chences that my site survives the update. I'm afraid of the sandbox or something like this...
11:43 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just to recap:
- I currently expect new PR/backlinks to be visible in a few days. I'll let you know if that changes.
- madweb had an interesting observation in message #816 of this thread:
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I believe that there is a new binary wending its way out from the group of data centers that included 66.102.7.x . Most people won't notice much difference between data centers, but I believe that those searches are likely to be closer to what to expect.

So just to set expectations, there will still be quite a bit of flux for people to expect near-term. We'll be setting up a way for people to pass us feedback.

11:45 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What DCs are you watching. I get a [66.249.93.104...]
11:48 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Is it just me or is this the first time anyone from Google has made a comment on when the next Toolbar pagerank update is going to be...
11:51 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ShunT, it's just you. GG usually pops in when these things happen. Or perhaps you're right - I don't recall seeing a post saying when, only commenting in hindsight :)

Thanks for the heads up GG. Will be once again looking to the heavens in the near-term then!

11:53 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just don't assume the sky is falling from first impressions, patc. :) If the PR/backlink update is delayed, I'll let people know.
11:55 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Heh I await the deciphering of that cryptic comment GG from some of our more deeply involved contributors....!
12:01 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just don't assume the sky is falling from first impressions...

It seems like it already fell - we're just waiting (and hoping) for you guys to pull it back up off of us.

:-)

12:07 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The PR update will be somewhat interesting, but the backlinks? What's to be learned from that? Will the latest bizarro subset still include the neurotransmitter ODP clone?

Backlink update, eh? Keep us posted, Google. I sure don't want to miss it.

[edited by: Stefan at 12:10 am (utc) on Oct. 19, 2005]

12:07 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)



googleguy deciphered:

things will change soon--yet again--and some might come back.

[edited by: walkman at 12:08 am (utc) on Oct. 19, 2005]

12:07 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Google, like Time Waits for No One. It's been a Long Long While, and I Can't Be Satisfied, my site just won't rank.

In fact, my pagerank is Coming Down Again. I guess I'll Try a Little Harder, but I Don't Know Why.

Time Is On My Side so maybe someday I'll get some Satisfaction and Not Fade Away.

I'd be a Fool To Cry, but When the Whip Comes Down, my pagerank could be Slipping Away, but then again, You Can't Always Get What You Want.

Google was Hot Stuff when it was new --- and it may be Just My Imagination, but I'm having Mixed Emotions 'cause I think Yahoo's results are more relevent All Down The Line.

Either your site is Hot Stuff or it's just Tumbling Dice... at least I'm not Back To Zero after all the Dirty Work is done -- but PR, I've Had It With You.

...nuff?

12:09 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Somebody just had to do that. Just glad that it wasn't me.

12:10 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would love to see a blog entry from the Googler who gets the lucky job of pushing the big red button (or command, but a bit less dramatic) that propagates the Pagerank update across your datacenters .. oh what a feeling .. oh what a job.
12:13 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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So the sky may go back up again. Oh good becuase its very very heavy!
12:19 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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lexipixel, lol, you forgot "(Between A) Rock In A Hard Place". Worst Stones' song ever...
12:20 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> Oh good becuase its very very heavy...

I am with you on that one, all the way

12:33 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi GG ...

If an established, legitimate, relevant-to-our-sector site that we link to went to PR0 some months ago (they said due to a DNS problem), is it a good idea to remove those links to them?

no i don't really expect an answer but you can't blame me for askin'!

12:34 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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GG, let's hope you're right with my sites because last night (NZ) I went to bed and dreamt that the sky had fallen big time.

I have to be honest and say that a lot of rubbish has disappeared from our industry and that is great! but when I saw half of our traffic go, I used the expression 'baby out with the bathwater'

I am praying that our traffic comes back and there are a couple more switches to press because I feel that we produce damn good and informative sites according to the word of Google and I know that other webmasters like myself are feeling the same.

12:38 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Elixir

"So the sky may go back up again. Oh good becuase its very very heavy!"

Heavy - I am with you more than anyone so far, it was like the Northridge Earthquake Overpass just fell on my car and I was in the lane below.

Really * heavy! - Jeesh Please help....

Hollywood

12:45 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If the PR/backlink update is delayed, I'll let people know.

GG, after a PR/backlink update, how long does it take to update SERP?

12:54 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy

It is most important to keep some sort of discussions ongoing with such a change in Algo "Stuff".

As a webmaster for many sites and all White-hat ones at that, these days it is crucial to be ethical about posting of information to us all to a degree.

I always report problem sites to you (GG) via the online Google webmaster page tools; I am not the only one that helps Google with the SERPS and Algo in reporting the bad... being fair is a request at this point. We do our part, it's your turn. (Tag your it - Smiling)

Please explain the overpass that fell on me and others.

no edit

Hollywood

[edited by: Hollywood at 12:55 am (utc) on Oct. 19, 2005]

12:55 am on Oct 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I came out of the sandbox two weeks ago and was hoping that this update would give me some lift. Still running about 450-500 in the serps for keywords. ridiculous. Way behind some of the most non-pertinent results out there. I'm afraid this is just a 'heartbreaker' for me.
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