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Google Update Bourbon - Part 1

Has the sandbox been busted?

     

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8:35 am on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Seeing something happening on 64.233.163.104 and 64.233.167.104 - might be worth keeping an eye on.
1:30 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This morning I noticed yet more visitors coming in from brand new unsollicited inbound links (not scrapers, real ones) - and I'm thinking - OH NO! NOT MORE INBOUND LINKS to my site! Take them away! I don't want them! You are ruining my Google traffic with your stupid links to me!.

On the plus site, now that my site is in the toilet, pesky webmasters will stop finding it and linking to it...

Ah well, just looking for some humor in my situation.

1:36 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't know about george's site, but I have real unique content and I'm down in the sewers.

Me, too, at least this morning. I lost 75% of my Google referrals in the March 23 update, and now it's worse: Today I'm at #5 for my site name, behind some greybarred site that merely mentions my site with a blurb that says, "Is [my site name] your business? Do you run one of the competiting Travel Magazines Online in Rhode Island? Find out how your ad can STAND OUT with a photo, color, and lots of description for just $20 a month!"

Sheesh. Still, it's early days yet, and with luck Google will come to its senses before the update is over.

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I can see the better serps for my site already on AOL. However it is unlikely that the update is over.
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"I hate to break the news to you, but what you have there is a keyword stuffing site with 0 content. This crap has been ruling the serps lately and is bringing down many good quality sites. "
really?
WHAT IS YOUR QUALITY SITE?
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[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 2:55 pm (utc) on May 21, 2005]
[edit reason] no specifics please [/edit]

1:50 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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europeforvisitors: I get the same pattern as you...
At least I know that I'm not alone who got hit.

quite painful to look at site when you cant do anything.

Ant really hard to take care of site, because you even dont know if you will ever come back...

Maybe now I'm spammer in google opinion...

fascinating...

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Where do these AOL results come from (I know Google..) They're showing me as #51 for my site name. I know that sounds silly, but I havent been that high since November. Google.com shows me at #240.
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I don't know about george's site, but I have real unique content and I'm down in the sewers.

I have a content-filled site about a singer/songwriter. Searching for one of his song titles at Google produces pages of listings for lyrics sites and other junk before the listing for my site's article about the song. If the duplicate content filter worked, there would be, at the most, one lyrics site listed at the top of the SERPS and most of the junk would be filtered. But, as I said before, Google is broken (and so far, this update seems to make the problem worse). They'll eventually get it working correctly .. I hope.

-- Roger

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Our site finally began to get some traffic back from
G over the last 2 weeks and now we don't even show
up for company name...

disgusted

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go George123
you have a good site,let those plonkers happy for a few months ,your site is evergreen -not as those Google PHD teenwwaankers -
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I'm at #5 for my site name, behind some greybarred site that merely mentions my site

I have similar problems - down on page 3 for my non-generic unique site title. Ahead of me are dmoz clones, unrelated sites and a news article that mentions my site (once) etc.

(yes, site is full of lots of unique content, no duplication)

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"I hate to break the news to you, but what you have there is a keyword stuffing site with 0 content"
oh yehh?check that
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[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 3:04 pm (utc) on May 21, 2005]

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<snip>

Well this one is different. Quality indeed. The other links you previously listed were pure spam though, and I wasnít the only one to see that.

But you are right about this one. It is really great and i apologise!

[edited by: max_mm at 2:08 pm (utc) on May 21, 2005]

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 2:54 pm (utc) on May 21, 2005]
[edit reason] no specifics please [/edit]

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Another thing: Forbes.com links to me from two pages in its "Best of the Web" directory--pages that used to show PR6 in the Google toolbar. One page has been showing a white PR toolbar for the last two months, and the other is showing a grey toolbar. (I'd really like those PR6 links back--or is the toolbar just broken?)
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Searching for company name, we dropped to position #21.

Googleguy, I hope you read this thread, because this
is just plain wrong.

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We went from not being listed at all with our company name to being number one.. I am very happy with that. :)
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Are the datacenters still changing? The ones I've checked seem to be all the same now.

Let me know if anyone sees them still changing.

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OK its clear from many posts here that travel related serps have been hit (oh well!) but I still fail to see any changes anywhere else.
2:25 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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travel related serps have been hit

None of mine have, actually from the serps I check, it looks like any ordinary day - no changes at all. Go figure...

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Maybe it seems that travel sites are "hit hardest" because it's a competitive area that draws a disportionate number of webmasters to post at WebmasterWorld!

My area has nothing to do with travel.

Is the common denominator "not coming up for one's company name anymore?"

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mine is not travel site.
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Kwd1 Kwd2 used to give a different ranking from Kwd2 Kwd1. Now they are identical. Has anyone else seen this?
2:33 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am still getting different results for kw1 kw2 and kw2 kw1, but the keywords I just tried are not competitive.
2:38 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm... Perhaps a coincidence then. But I also noticed that Kwd1 singular form Kwd 2 is now the same as Kwd1 plural Kwd2. That used to be different. Has Google implemented stemming at long last?
2:51 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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george123 - get some Windex, and there you go! but make sure it's original and not the orange flavor...
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By the look of the results Imonitor, this update cannot be over. If it is, Google is making a serious mistake.

3.5 years of steady results get rubbished in one foul swoop, I certainly hope not.

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george123:

I took a snippet at random from your Athens travel
page, the one you put up here (against TOS)

Up came two completely different sites with the very same text. Clearly, somebody is scraping somebody
I'm not saying you are a scraper (how can I know?) but this might explain your loss of position in the SERPs.

If I were you, I would do likewise. Take random snippets of text from your original material,
(assuming it is indeed original) and see where else it appears.

Either you will learn who is copying your stuff, or you will be reminded where you got it in the first place.
Either way, you will have a better clue what happened to your Google SERPs. - Larry

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Yeah but George, it looks like (and I apologise in advance if I'm wrong here) you're using canned content.

As you posted your urls (which will get nixed shortly no doubt) I just looked at your history section and did a google search on one sentence -- 5 of the top 10 results has the exact same content as your history page. Quite a few of them indicate their content as coming from one of the worse (IMO) "canned travel content" providers.

That being the case you're probably losing out partly due to a duplicate content penalty. As the content doesn't appear to be original, it doesn't really belong in the top 10 -- I do agree it must be frustrating to see others with the same canned stuff as you and you not there -- but honestly, none of you belong there.

Of course if by chance you did write the content yourself then you should either revise how you're licensing the content to others or take them to task for ripping your content off.

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Hi Rencke! :) (nice to see you randomly posting again - thanks, welcome back...)

Ya, stemming has been hit or miss the last couple of updates. I have not studied it, but have noticed there appears to be a descrepancy in the way stemming works - it doesn't appear to be universal. Some kw's appear to stem and others don't.

Anyone been studying the phenom? What just happened with stemming?

>specifics

please don't even comment on them - just use the report-a-post option and let the mods take care of it. Commenting on it, just means that you are contributing to the problem.

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YEAH! 24 hours later... still #1 for my keyword at google.com... but now at aol.com and netscape too! This means it's an official update, right?!?!?
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nice to see you randomly posting again

Thanks Brett. Not entirely at random though. I did pick this thread after careful consideration and deliberation ;-)

Interesting comment about stemming. As you can probably guess, I was looking at hotel and hotels. They have always differed - until now. It will be interesting to see what other observations your post will trigger.

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