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Google Update Bourbon - Part 1

Has the sandbox been busted?

     

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8:35 am on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Seeing something happening on 64.233.163.104 and 64.233.167.104 - might be worth keeping an eye on.
4:44 pm on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The following datacenters seem ok to me.

216.239.39.104
64.233.161.99
216.239.37.104
64.233.161.104

The following two have a bit more spam with less up-to-date Web sites.

64.233.167.99
64.233.167.104

Nevertheless, Google needs to bring more up-to-date sites to SERPS and apply heaviers spam filters. MSN gives much better results than the above datacenters.

My business is strictly real estate (I build Web sites for official RE/MAX offices).

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Well, according to my keyword tracker, SOME of my pages are coming back to their old listings. But, I have no idea what results my tracker is checking and no idea if this is finished...I'm going to take a break from all this.
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Personally, I have been seeing the same depressing results every time I search since I found out about this yesterday so it just looks like it may be over for me. Is anyone seeing continuing MAJOR fluctuations?

Every once in awhile, on google.com I do see my old results and get a second of relief. But then it goes back to the results where I vanished. If you go to aol.com and netscape.com and you refresh plenty of times, you will see 2 different sets of results still..the results where you used to rank, and the results where you vanished (or for some of you, do better). Its weird but I somehow think its over for me as well at least for the summer, or next update. At least I still get referalls from MSN and Yahoo. Just a little less than half as much.

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I can't understand it:

- PR7
- updated daily with content articles and news
- 4 years old domain
- 18.000 pages
- 12.000 incoming links (even from Google Answers)
- domain name with unusual words (let's say wecandoitrightjustnow.com)
- some listings in DMOZ for different topics

Today I lost off 95% of my visitors from Google and my domain name is #174 in the search results after a bunch of PR0 pages.

5:04 pm on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ok lets try this.

For all of you who rank well, what is the date that Google spidered your homepage when you click on "cached" in the search engine.

For all of you who vanished, whats the date of your cached google homepage?

Mine is May 15th

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The following datacenters seem ok to me.

216.239.39.104
64.233.161.99
216.239.37.104
64.233.161.104

Those look more like what I'm used to - for one phrase, our site is back where it usually is at #1, with some shake-up in the results. Another phrase is also showing up... Hmm, seems to be toggling back and forth between two sets of results.

I'm hopeful that this trend will continue. The SERPS I'm seeing now are definitely a different set compared to pre-update, so I think we're seeing more switches/knobs being adjusted.

Chopin: cache date May 21

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For all of you who vanished, whats the date of your cached google homepage?

Yesterday. Google sipders my home page and section's main pages every day.

5:11 pm on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>For all of you who vanished, whats the date of your cached google homepage?

Mine is May 15th

not vanished just dropped 20 places my last date is 9/5

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theBear,

You situation sounds almost identical to mine (as stated above). The site I was talking about is almost 4 years old.

Google traffic didn't come back until mid-April (vs. mid-March for you). Otherwise, everything else is the same.

And now that I'm seeing today's google traffic, I'd say that it's off more like 80-85%.

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>For all of you who vanished, whats the date of your cached google homepage?

Didn't vanish but lost major traffic. Cached date of home page is April 26. (However, google spiders home page every day plus many other pages.)

[edited by: bether2 at 5:35 pm (utc) on May 22, 2005]

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Cache of home page... May 22nd. Then again, Google decided to spider my site heavy starting yesterday afteroon.

A sandboxed site that I didn't think could go any lower... but it did - now showing at 240+ for its own name. If you've heard me complain about this before, my given name, which is uncommon, used to show at around #110 before this update. It is now showing around #440. Only about the three sites actually have my complete name on it. In the number three position is one of those scraper sites that ripped off an article of mine...

[edited by: BillyS at 5:36 pm (utc) on May 22, 2005]

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Cache of home page... May 22nd. Then again, Google decided to spider my site heavy starting yesterday afteroon.

How are you ranking?

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bether2 and theBear,

My situation is the same. After being on top for over 4 years I lost over 75% in mid March, then got back to 50%. Then Lost almost everything at the beginning of this latest update

...but now am returning to "Post March Normal" in see-saw'ing fashion: Now you see it and now you don't, then now you see it again. etc, etc.

My last cached date is May 21 for homepage.

I agree with some others here. This ain't over by a long shot.

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Any idea of how long this update will last?

I have ranked well in Google for years with very sensible white hat SEO.

Now my site is completely off the index. Some datacenters show my site ranking well as it did before but the important one - Google.com - i am gone.

The sites now showing above me have less backlinks and pagerank, so now i wonder why i bothered trying to promte my site.

I really hope Google doesnt stick with what is showing currently, it seems a big step backwards for them as the results seem much more less relevant than they previously did in my opinion.

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...but now am returning to "Post March Normal" in see-saw'ing fashion: Now you see it and now you don't, then now you see it again. etc, etc.

Thanks for the info. That sounds promising. :)

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Not vanished but cache was retreived May 21 and the date showing on the serps is May 20.

bether2 you have mail.

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My situation is similar

PR5
40,000 pages indexed
4 year old domain
DMOZ link

I was stable for years and now all of a sudden my site has nearly vanished.

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Fresh Date: May 21
Cache Date: May 22

No change in serps ... same listings - though it does seem to be a little 'slower' than usual since Friday.

[edited by: bobothecat at 6:05 pm (utc) on May 22, 2005]

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1.5 y domain
few Dmoz links, yahoo
~ 7000 links
~ 40000 indexed pages
pr6

practically vanished.
cache date may 21

6:02 pm on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My site hasn't vanished, but many of my pages are below the radar. Google referrals are down 90-95% from February and March.

In a search on my unique two-word name, there isn't one page from my European travel site in the first 10 SERPs. (But there is an obsolete URL for a page at my previous travel site that must date back to 2001. It's an About.com page; Google seems to have a lot of trouble cleaning out obsolete About.com URLs.)

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The Bear operates under the following rules at all times:

Rule number one trust but verify.

Rule number two don't assume.

Rule number three apply a liberal dose of humor even when things really inhale with pursed lips.

Rule four always take a break from the computer.

Rule five don't listen to woodland critters that post on web forums, it is a dead givaway that something is very wrong or you have completely gone bonkers (your call ;) ).

I am invoking rule number 4 at this time :) .

6:05 pm on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'd be looking for stability in this group:

216.239.37.104
216.239.39.104
216.239.53.104
216.239.57.104
216.239.59.104
216.239.63.104
64.233.161.104
64.233.163.104
64.233.167.104
64.233.171.104
64.233.179.104
64.233.183.104
64.233.185.104
64.233.187.104
64.233.189.104
66.102.11.104
66.102.7.104
66.102.9.104
66.249.81.104
66.249.85.104
66.249.87.104

Good luck folks.

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I'd be voting for this group ;)
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I am looking for a little understanding. My 6 month old site was almost in the top 10 before Allegra sent it to #100 where it has been stuck. Since Bourbon started, data center 64.233.167.99 and 64.233.167.104 are showing it with a top 5 ranking now. Are those results likely to propagate out of is that just a fluke and the other centers are where the real action is? I have made no movement on the other data centers. The site is real clean with no funny stuff. Aloha
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"I'd be voting for this group ;)"

Me too, fingers crossed!

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In a search on my unique two-word name, there isn't one page from my European travel site in the first 10 SERPs. (But there is an obsolete URL for a page at my previous travel site that must date back to 2001. It's an About.com page; Google seems to have a lot of trouble cleaning out obsolete About.com URLs.)
And therin lies your problem. For me, your www is showing up as a supplemental result at #32 with results set to 100. The redirect is not working within Google.
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Correction. Looking good on 64.233.163.104 and 64.233.167.104
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Since Bourbon started, data center 64.233.167.99 and 64.233.167.104 are showing it with a top 5 ranking now.

Me too. I'm not confident this will propagate to other DCs though.

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2.5 yr domain
~ 2 Dmoz links
~ 6,000 links
~ 160,000 indexed pages

pr6

practically vanished

get this...

"May 20, 2005 - Cached"

however when i click the "cached link" it says

"as retrieved on May 21, 2005 02:16:21 GMT"

(to those who have this same problem)is it possible we are sandboxed again... or is this a penalty?

[edited by: monsterisp at 6:48 pm (utc) on May 22, 2005]

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Bummer arran, becuase those SERP's look absolutly steller.
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