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Google Update Bourbon - Part 1

Has the sandbox been busted?

     

Dayo_UK

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Seeing something happening on 64.233.163.104 and 64.233.167.104 - might be worth keeping an eye on.
2:06 pm on May 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Bit worried they are old results". I hope so as this update was good for me. Just redesigned my site after taking a bit of a hit over the last month or so and now ranking well again.
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Bit worried they are old results

Not old for me, they are definitely different than pre-update, but with expected ranking.

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On DCs - 216.239.39.104 and 66.102.11.104 if you search for europe tourist guide you will see our friends site doing well - much better than on the other dcs (dont know how long this will hold for)

ok, 1st/last post in this thread ;)

I would be happy with either of the two DC's above. For a two word term I keep an eye on 66.102.11.104 is showing 83,400,000 results while 216.239.39.104 is showing 68,100,000. The same term shows 78,800,000 on 64.233.163.104 and shows a lot of "Page Moved", blank pages, errors and genuinely terrible results so I don't believe 64.233.163.104 will stick for long, but then who knows…

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Im seeing the 'new' SERPs without the sandboxed sites on 216.239.39.104 and 66.102.11.104 - the same as 64.233.161.104 and 66.249.87.99.
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Well, they have 21 May 2005 crawled timestamps on the missing sites on those DCs..
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Dayo_UK

>Bit worried they are old results. But worth keeping an eye on.<

Don´t worry. Its still moving and shaking. And no pub visit this evening please. We need you here on this thread to post your great up-to-date observations :-)

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I must say, I was hoping for my new website that is only 4 months old, would be doing better then just 5 visits a day from Google.

Well maybe the next update.

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Still going down...

Last week #1
Onset of Bourbon #145
Now #189

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As a couple posts mentioned, looks like PR reverted to the last update... for the most part. I see a few exceptions though.

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These DCs 72.14.207.99, 72.14.207.104, 72.14.207.106, 72.14.207.107 seem to be showing the same as 216.239.39.104 etc.

Not seen these DC before either but were found by someone not so long ago.

No pub tonight

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Seeing some life for a site of ours that has been MIA for much of this update (top-10 to 200+).

DC's that I'm seeing some movement on:

64.233.161.104
64.233.171.99
64.233.171.104
64.233.171.105
64.233.171.147
66.102.11.99
66.102.11.104
216.239.39.99
216.239.39.104
216.239.37.104
216.239.37.105
216.239.37.147

Keep your fingers crossed Dayo... I'll keep them crossed on this side of the pond! ;)

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webinker,

If it those DCs that have the real results, then I will relax but until I see them in front of me, I ain't happy at all.

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Sorry to say. But I don't like those results. They look quite pre-bourbon to me. Serps are'nt quite as good for my site.
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It does look that way Pico_Train, as the 'new' SERPs have been gradually propagating around the DCs. My sites are doing pretty well in both the new and old SERPs so Im happy either way, but I would like to see the sandboxed sites released as they are on 64.233.163.104 and 64.233.167.104.
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I have no idea if this is bad or good news. As many of you I lost over 50% of my traffic. But today I saw that on these datacenters I still rank ok for my key words

66.102.11.99
64.233.171.99
216.239.39.99
64.233.171.104
64.233.171.105
64.233.171.147
216.239.39.99
216.239.39.104
216.239.37.105
216.239.37.147

The question is if this is what is still giving me some traffic and soon these results will change again and I am left with 0 traffic. Or could this mean that I am on my way back?

Could some of you please check those DCs and tell me wath you see?

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I am also seeing a sanboxed site perform better in 64.233.163.104 and 64.233.167.104.

Also I noticed that when the updates started the total count for a keyword showed 12000 pages in "64.233.167.104".
But other DC's showed way less pages. Now all the DC's have the same number of pages (12000) for that specific keyword.

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Venix, Im seeing the new SERPs on all those DCs except 66.102.11.99.

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>>>Venix, Im seeing the new SERPs on all those DCs except 66.102.11.99.

Which is the same dc (sort of) as 66.102.11.104 - which was showing the new/old results until a short time ago.

They do look a bit pre Bourbon for me too. (Which is why no-one can really say if they are the coming results or reminants of the old results.)

It looks like it is dancing back the other way now though :(

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Looks like 66.102.11.99 and 66.102.11.104 are being used for www.google.co.uk on a round robin type setup, .99 is showing the old results and .104 the new.

Edit. Although as you say Dayo_UK, having just looked again at both those IPs again their both showing the same 'old' results!

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I wonder how many heart attacks Google are responsible for each year. Being a fighter pilot is nothing compared to being a webmaster this days :)
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one more observation

First the total pages for keyword gets updated from one ( DC to others

Then the order of the site (ranking) gets updated as the dancing progresses.

I am sure that the update is just less than 50% completed.

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never been a fighter pilot but I been on Google's bad side. Being self-employeed sucks (in that case) because there's no paycheck coming at the end of the week, and in these algo change cases, there's nothing you can do. If your site is demoted, no matter what you add, or change it still stays the same...at least for a few months. You even lose the desire to update the site and that is the worst part.

"I wonder how many heart attacks Google are responsible for each year. Being a fighter pilot is nothing compared to being a webmaster this days

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OK, I was a little quick on the trigger, maybe.

Just did a search I did last night where a page from my site came up #290. Very relevant terms to my site. Same search today, I was #1. Both searches were done on generic google.com.

So, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Actaully saw some clicks and more impressions via Adsense.

My apologies for being such an alarmist. Hopefully, I have learned my lesson (probably not).

Many thanks to the webmasters who have more experience, levelheadedness and insight than I ever will.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

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Feeling atraffic drop of 30% on one site and 50% on another.

Not looking good.

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A month ago my PR dissapeared from the toolbar. Now, when searching some of the dc's for my PR I get this:

toolbarqueries.google.com0
64.233.161.990
64.233.161.1040
66.102.7.990
66.102.7.1040
216.239.59.990
216.239.59.1040
216.239.37.1045
216.239.39.990
216.239.39.1040
66.102.11.990
66.102.11.1040
216.239.57.990
216.239.57.1040
66.102.9.990
66.102.9.1040
216.239.53.990
216.239.53.1040

Does that mean 216.239.37.104 is the most updated?

I could live with 216.239.37.104 SERPS.

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Sorry:

toolbarqueries.google.com : 0
64.233.161.99 : 0
64.233.161.104 : 0
66.102.7.99 : 0
66.102.7.104 : 0
216.239.59.99 : 0
216.239.59.104 : 0
216.239.37.104 : 5
216.239.39.99 : 0
216.239.39.104 : 0
66.102.11.99 : 0
66.102.11.104 : 0
216.239.57.99 : 0
216.239.57.104 : 0
66.102.9.99 : 0
66.102.9.104 : 0
216.239.53.99 : 0
216.239.53.104 : 0

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Very interesting - is that dancing though? EG - is PR sometimes showing on other DCs on that list.
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I have many many sites ... I did a study and the traffic I have receieved from Google today is from sites which I registered from these dates only

Registered=2003-07-02
Registered=2003-09-25
Registered=2003-10-10
Registered=2003-12-14
Registered=2003-12-15
Registered=2003-12-16
Registered=2003-12-17
Registered=2003-12-19
Registered=2003-12-21
Registered=2003-12-26
Registered=2003-12-27
Registered=2003-12-28
Registered=2003-12-29
Registered=2003-12-30
Registered=2003-12-31
Registered=2004-01-01
Registered=2004-01-02
Registered=2004-01-05
Registered=2004-01-08
Registered=2004-01-10
Registered=2004-01-12
Registered=2004-01-16
Registered=2004-01-17
Registered=2004-01-18
Registered=2004-01-20
Registered=2004-01-21

I have none of my more recent sites getting traffic...

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About a month ago my PR dissapeared completely after several DoS attacks.

The PR of 5 from that dc is the first PR I have seen from my front page in a month. It appears to be static.

I also get backlinks using link:www.poossss.com from that dc, but only that dc.

[edited by: thecityofgold2005 at 4:27 pm (utc) on May 23, 2005]

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Google PHD to trainee, "Start by swinging the dials way over to the left. No, go farther. Yep, keep going."

Trainee, "Holy snit!"

PHD, "Yes, it's wild, look at the Adwords traffic. All the sites with money KW directories have gone. Make sure you have the Dup Dial all the way over."

Trainee, " What about the searchers?"

PHD," Let them click the Adsense for a while. Just read this stuff on Webmasterworld. Watch all the black hats run off and start rebuilding their sites - then we can sandbox 'em. Anything on Google News about Google's Broken? Gotta have that. OK, just wiggle some of the dials for effect."

Trainee," White hats too! Can we do this every weekend?"

PHD, "This goes on for two weeks. We slowly bring the dials back but put them over to the right for a while. All the keyword stuffing goes up top and really snarls up the guys rebuilding their sites. AdWords staff goes on overtime. Did you buy shares in Jack Daniels as I suggested?"

Trainee,"What's this red button "Revert to 2001" used for?"

PHD, "That's enough for today. Let's go watch NASDAQ."

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