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In addition, my Yahoo listing disappeared as well. I then did a Yahoo search for pages with my domain included and found most of my interior pages indexed but not my home page.
What happened? Is it possible my site was not ready to be crawled when Googlebot and Slurp robots visied my site - simultaneously?
This is a very "white hat" site - no tricks at all, just good content...
I went and manually requested my site be spidered on both Google and Yahoo, and sent an email to Yahoo requesting any explanation as well.
Is there anything else I can do? Any ideas of why this happened?
Have you done a INURL:WWW.YOURSITE.COM if so, guide us to it to see if 302, 301, IP DELIVERY, CLOAKED HIJACKING, or META REFRESH culprits have attacked your site.
Also do a LINK:WWW.YOURSITE.COM in msnsearch. Look for any site that has its cached page being your content. Do not be surprised to find many other sites displaying your index page content in the offending URL. msnbot is easily manipulated to hijack other websites. In fact a child could do it. msnbot staff simply do not understand IP DELIVER with a 302 directive and the dire consequences it would have on a legitimate site in their search results.
Yahoo did not completely overcome the hijacking issue, google and msn are trying to find a more refined method that works better.
Many hundreds of thousands of websites have unauthorised 302 protocols to search engines pointing to ther websites. These directives are not dangerous, but they become deadly when a linking path exists for goolebot to follow, then "BANG" your website becomes a supplemental page of the website that has caused the redirect to you. Your listing can end up in a completey unpredictable manner depending on whether an aditional meta refresh page was generated that points to your site simultaneously with the redirect.
Welcome to webmasterworld.
In google search box INURL:YOURSITE.COM
If this result produces strange looking url's like [hijacker.com...]
Or indeed a sequence of numbers or anything with your domain name tailing the url, then you are in biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig trouble. Your site is finished and there is little you can do other than to beg the hijacker to release his grip on your site. Note that your site may never again rank in results. Many of these 302 directives are accompanied by meta refresh pages generated at server level that even some hijackers don't know about, and many more unintentional ones get created and the only way you will ever clear the residue is by the offending site being erased from the server it resides in.
However, you can retaliate big time. Let me know your situation. There are certain things the hijacker does not know, in your case, first establish and let us know the result.
Gather evidence that a 302, 301, IP DELIVERY or a META REFRESH exists on an unauthorised site pointing to yours.
If this is the case, let us know. Unbeknown to many hijackers...IT IS THE SECOND MOUSE THAT GETS THE CHEESE. I can assure you that some have paid the ultimate price, including their host providers.
There is simply no reason that a website should point a directive to another site in a manner that is destructive. No defense exists against anybody hijacking your site. Google says that nobody can influence your rankings within their search. Trust me, it is very simple indeed to completely desroy a websites ranking in google and msn, very easy indeed.
I can assure you that Alexa as well is distributing unintetional redirects that are destroying sites in their thousands.
I have a similar experience. During the recent Google update 4 of my top sites slipped from their rankings. These 4 sites are 2 years old, have in excess of 1000 incoming links, all PR5 &6’s, and are in top paying keyword positions. My 4 sites continued to slip into oblivion. Now when I search for them, 2 appear showing their URL but without the title or description, and the other 2 are no longer in the Google index. By using allinurl to search for them, I notice other sites are either using my URL in their URL, or a cached version of my sites are linked to the other sites URL’s.
The strange thing in my case is that my 4 sites are unrelated to each other and yet they all slipped from Google at the same time. It is my supposition however, because they all use the same BIG/CHEAP DOMAIN REGISTER & HOSTING COMPANY, that at the time they were being spidered or updated by Google, perhaps there were problems with my domain name server allowing the sites trying to hijack my sites to win out. And as you said in your previous post, my sites are now seen by Google as supplemental pages of the sites that are using these tactics.
I have emailed Google several times without any response from them. In fact, in Google’s webmaster Info, titled: There's no description of my site. They say:
The Google index contains two types of pages--fully indexed and partially indexed pages. Your page is currently partially indexed, which means that although we know about your site, our robots have not read all the content on your page(s) in past crawls. This does not adversely affect your PageRank or your inclusion in our index. It does mean that we don't 'know' what to call your page, so it gets listed with the URL as the title and no description.
We appreciate the frustration this causes webmasters who work hard to make their sites accessible to users. We are working to increase the number of fully indexed pages in our search results to alleviate this problem.
www.hijacker.com?redirect=www.yoursite.com
The same technique is already used to stop image freeloaders.
If this result produces strange looking url's like [hijacker.com...]Do you mean something like this?
I've got a few clients whose sites have disappeared from Google and been 'replaced' by this guy.
This one particular individual has registered at least 10 domains all of which are using the same technique and all of which now appear in the SERPs where MY CLIENT used to be.
Is there something we can do?
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 2:22 am (utc) on Mar. 8, 2005]
Are some of these harmless?
Here's some discussion about pagejacking, 302's, and dupe content penalty.
[webmasterworld.com...]
[anothersite.co.uk...]
If asked, I would have assumed that this was just a harmless link
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Bobby.
Chard,
I can assure you all that, assuming all of you are experiencing the same problem, a 302, 301, IP DELIVERY (CLOAKED INDEX PAGE), CLOAKED COPY OF YOUR SITE WITH A 302, CLOAKED META REFRESH, or one of many other IP DELIVERY tricks including the submission to search engines of your sites, either by competitors or yourselves and the LASTEST NASTIEST TRICK OF ALL, A blackhat webmaster looks for your listing in affiliate SKYSCRAPER SITES picks out the go-php, asp, cgi, jump or any other maybe pearl based script that contains your URL in it and submits it to vast numbers of search engines, 302 causing link-farms and directories. Your site will be in danger of being demoted in google, especially msnbot because it is very gullible.
This dastardly trick is designed to fully expose 302 capable scripts as above so that googlebot and msnbot find them. The black hat webmaster may indeed also lay a link or 2 at his own site pages that he knows is frequently visited by the bots, the bots follow his link that also generates keyword results of the SKYSCRAPER site containing say 20 results with your description and link in it with the redirect directive script. He may even use an invisible gif with the bait, post a blog etc.
The moment googlebot finds his link, it follows it to the SKYSCRAPER site…..""""""BANG"""" Down goes all of those sites in google's index because the go-php 302 directive scripts resides on the results links of the 20 sites. Your site is now history. googlebot now deems your site to be supplemental pages of the SKYSCRAPER. In fact NOBODY not even the majority of google staff know exactly what the algo will deem. Safe to say your sites life cycle is over. Period. “A has been that once ranked in google”
Your problem now is only beginning because the blackhat affiliate money seeking SKYSCRAPER website owner, or blackhat reciprocal link webmaster, may have also generated DYNAMICALLY GENERATED META REFRESH pages pointing to your site. These deadly meta refresh pages are hidden and are only there for robots, no human surfer will ever see them.
The only possible solution now is the total deletion of the offending website from the server it resides in. Removal of the redirect protocols is never going to free your site because the venomous residue of the dynamically produced pages will still exist on the server.
All you have to do to destroy a competitor is to place links directed at say ALEXA'S website popularity pages that show what sites are similar to yours and sites that link to them. An unbelievable amount of 302 causing scripts are used by alexa to preserve its own pagerank but at the same time putting into jeopardy the sites it is listing.
Be very much afraid that if googlebot or msnbot visit such pages and a redirect link exists that is pointing to your site, you will end up in oblivion, maybe never to recover the onslaught of this particular type of redirect.. Just to make it worse, the staff that are planting these scripts have no idea of the damage they are causing and without the consent of websites.
Do not expect to get the problem resolved because alexa staff on the e-mail level will never understand what the hell you are talking about. You will be offered other services and maybe a recommended fast food centre as being the nearest thing they can offer to resolve your problem.
I you guys get permission from the webmaster of webmasterworld. I can explain how you can bring about the destruction of an offending site, the actual websites and the servers of the host who do not comply to removing the redirects pointing to you that are unauthorized and causing your websites to disappear in google. Hosting companies are obliged by their licensing contract that they do not host websites that damage other websites by deliberately doing the above. If a host does not conform to closing down or remove offending scripts from a website on their servers they run the risk of their entire network being at the mercy of an irate webmaster that does know how to retaliate in exactly the same manner but a thousand times more lethal to their existence in search engines.
It is very possible to strip offending sites pagerank and hijacking their entire number of html pages and it is also possible to spider dynamic pages and rewrite 302 directives pointing to them in exactly the same manner on a mammoth scale. The rapid spider script eventually depletes the offending sites bandwith allowing the sites deletion in google if a 404 or a 403 is presented via googles URL-CONSOLE. After you register via a proxy site via a virtual server from a friend abroad to googles URL-CONSOLE. You leave the spider to do its job continually via a dynamic IP that changes every minute until the surrender or eradication of the site that refuses to remove its redirects to your site. Imagine the havoc if this is applied to an affiliate SKYCRAPER site that gets paid per clicks and pumps out these redirects. The affiliate feed companies will have to explain why their customers got millions of hits and no sales. Their customers will withdraw their PAY PER CLICK adverts. It is after this that you are now armed with the ability to cripple the host provider of the offending site. You have its entire network of URL’s and pages, because they allowed and refused to remove the redirect links to you. You do the same, only from a dynamic ip address with a special linking structure for robots to first pick up your 302 leads pointing to their servers. Armed with a proper search engine submission software that also submits internal pages up to 6 levels deep. The hosting company may as well shut down.
Are you aware of a way of blocking the offending site from redirecting?
In my particular case this one individual has at least 10 of these "skyscraper" sites and has caused a few of my clients' sites to lose substantial rank in Google.
What practical advice can you give us to combat this with?
Normally webmasters who create these SKYSCRAPER sites with 302 directives do so to cash in on affiliate link results fed to them by gigantic affilate databases whos owners are well aware of what is going on. No e-mail address and hidden whois is normally the case. But this is not enough to safeguarde their ill gained cache..
Guidelines exist for hosting companies to comply with. They must abide by your request to remove unauthorised redirects to your website. Obtain evidence and present them with it accompanied by at least 50 interlinked pages of your own CGI 302 Directives pointing to the hosting companies website index page and internal pages.
Inform them that unless the offending links are removed, you have interlinked 50 pages containing 302 protocol directives at their root level and internal pages and all that remains for you to do is to submit your pages containing the hoste links to search engines with a software that also delivers to link farms, directories and affiliate databases in the thousands.
You may be threatened with legal action, for jeopardising their rankings in search engines but you are doing no different from what they are doing. Do not be affraid and carry out your threat if they do not remove the directives pointed at you. Your 50 pages will eventually have nice ability to improve your own pagerank by using pure html links to point at strategic pages of your choice.
Enjoy the added bonus. Remove your e-mail so that you cannot be contacted by them. If they get your website removed, no harm will come to you because you would have created these pages on a throwaway url. Don't believe then that they will block your IP abd you cannot do the redirects, it has nothing to do with the threat of retaliation.
I forgot to answer your question. NO, there is no way you can create a Fort Knox website.
Think,? create pages in an old throwaway url, incorporate a CGI or pearl based redirect script at server level. create only index pages in folders. To keep tabs, name them after the offending sites and their keywords. Pump heavy inbound links into the throaway URL so that robots are attracted to it. When pointing to their index pages apply a meta refresh at ZERO seconds. The big danger to them here is not your IP for them to block, no sir, the last thing they would want is for search engines to follow the links that trigger the 302 targetted at them.
You now have almighty guns dedicated to one purpose. Moor your ship near the shores of the offending website and blast away. You will then see their posts here asking if there exists any method to stop redirects against them and how they can regain their ranking and the removal of their cached pages in your website. Leave no email contact.
