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6:39 pm on Feb 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My site has been in 1st page serps for many years. Just a few weeks ago, my listing went from a title display and decription to just this:

www.mydomain.com/
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In addition, my Yahoo listing disappeared as well. I then did a Yahoo search for pages with my domain included and found most of my interior pages indexed but not my home page.

What happened? Is it possible my site was not ready to be crawled when Googlebot and Slurp robots visied my site - simultaneously?

This is a very "white hat" site - no tricks at all, just good content...

I went and manually requested my site be spidered on both Google and Yahoo, and sent an email to Yahoo requesting any explanation as well.

Is there anything else I can do? Any ideas of why this happened?

4:43 pm on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've already found over 20 domains all of which are in the same "network". I wonder if there is any legal action that can be taken here.
5:21 pm on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Japanese,

It is only on Google that my affected websites have fallen off. They still rank reasonably well on MSN and Yahoo. Why do you think this is?

Do you think Google is aware of these hijacking problems, and if so do you think they can fix it or willing to fix it if it is at all fixable?

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Panacea I concur, it's only on Google.
It might be because the others take a long time to spider and update however.

I can't imagine how Google couldn't be aware of the problem, they must have received many complaints and I'm sure GoogleGuy has seen these posts. Has anyone tried reporting the problem personally?

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Panacea,

If the robots of msn find and follow the deadly links then you are histry there too, but yahoo did overcome the problem but not very refined.

Bobby,

Yes you can take legal action. First gather the evidence, Especially the directives to your site on paper. Copy all correspondence to the webmaster and host. Warn them repeatedly that you are going to file a Digital Milennium Copyright Act against them and that the host in in breach of his licence.

Make sure their are no flies on you. They will be out to get you with a counter claim and they may conjur up something you are not aware of. Especially the host. They may finish you off financialy.

In the mean time get a friend from abroad to do what I suggested earlier.
Don't even bother contacting google or msn. They are only doing their job listing URL'S THEY FIND ON THE NET. Any Sh*t will do as long as numbers keep increasing for them to boast about. 8 billion sites, I ask you, I know of a website with 25,000 pages, total crap pumping out redurects all day long via affiliate programmes. It is within the count of googles index. Draw your own conlclusion. The webmaster watches blue movies all day, gets his check every month from the affiliate companies, he walks down the road to his bank with a smile on his face. Every month he causes websites to disappear from google and msn.

9:58 pm on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Our site has been cloned over at excite.co.jp.

Does anybody have any experience getting them to cease and desist showing your pages?

Thanks.

10:51 pm on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Bobby

I have contacted googleguy with a email, he would look into it, but I think we have to face they cant fix this problem.

The only solution to this is, BANE ALL SITE THAT ARE USING 302 REDIRECTING

10:55 pm on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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When this starts to affect MAJOR sites. And sites that the SE's have major business dealings with...then the problem will be solved..
11:13 pm on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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milehigh - Its said but maybe you are right in this, its has to be written in a big newspaper so the stock holder can see it or a huge business site whos loosing cash and I even think they could sue google because many of those bad site are sponsored by adsense.

I have even contacted adsense with a site that is hijacking mine, it is a pure scraper site, but nothing is done,maybe they earn to much(but personally I cant believe that is the case)

11:41 pm on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I fail to understand how these hijacking sites stand to profit from their endeavours? Obviously they have succeeded in getting my site off Google, but how do they capitalize on all the effort.

When I search for the keywords that my site use to rank high in, I do not see the Hijacking site occupying the position in which my site used to be in.

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Zeus,

I have been studying your posts. I think you are one of the most infomed about this big problem.

I read a lot of googeGuys posts, trust me, I think he is living on another planet. He sounds like a very nice guy and I am sure he is. But we are not discussing in this forum idealism or utopian altruism. We are discussing why so many websites have been hijacked and millions of dollars lost by websites that do not know what the hell is going on.

Templated SKYSCRAPER sites pumping out redirects and getting paid for clicks at the expense of the sites that have unauthorised redirects pointed at them. I had 2 such sites showing my index page as being theirs in google. 1 of those sites was shut down 4 days after I noticed it in google's index. I saved a lot of headache for many sites. I am in dispute at the moment with ALEXA and a few others. Check out a popularity page at alexa, right click properties on the links it has on websites it says links to you, do a header viewer on the alexa link, you will find it causes a 302 directive to robots. Many websites have lost ranking because of this. A competitor can submit the deadly links to search engines and your website is finished. It will be a supplemental page of alexa.

11:53 pm on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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zeus,

Here is the solution for all redirects it is very simple.

The page redirected to belongs to the site that the target page is on.

Not the page it was redirected from. That ends the whole flippin' problem.

There is no need to ban anything.

12:19 am on Mar 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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TheBear,

Can you please elaborate on that. Seems you pointed out very little in a doctrinaire fashion, suggesting that you know about how googlebotís algo works in great detail.

Can you provide contradictory evidence if I placed a cast iron evidence here in the next post?

How do you know about pages being involved in a redirect. Unless I am missing something here or I am a useless webmaster, I was of the opinion that a script based redirect link, such as a deadly CGI one, is a sole entity generated via a pearl serverside script when clicked by a browser or followed by a robot. A robot follows that redirect, if it finds itís location displayed by the directive of the link, with a 200 GET, the bot can only do what the writers of the algo tell it to do. The page containing the kick off link is already a page, the hijacked page becomes an additional supplemental page. So if badguy.com had one page with the script redirects he now has 2.

Zeus is 100% correct in thinking that these scripts are harmful to unsuspecting websites. They are used too indescriminately, and by the way, html was the original linking tool, many scripts have since been invented and it is proving impossible to contain them all as a family of scripts that are in harmony.

If I imvented a scripting language, would it be assumed I helped to evolve the internet, or would it be assumed that another mess has to be cleaned up?

12:57 am on Mar 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm saying that Google knows where it landed it was told where to go by the redirect.

So it knows, I'm not saying that they do the right thing, just that they know.

Every piece of code I've ever seen, written, or used has had bugs in it.

It is a bug on Google's part.

Now just so you know, I've been writing and using computer code for over 35 years.

1:30 am on Mar 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have two sites that appear to have been hijacked in the manner described here. The sites have been missing in Google for several months at substantial monetary loss to myself. It is just now that I'm starting to understand what has happened to them. I'm very disappointed that GoogleGuy and even the mods on this forum aren't discussing it.

Perhaps a simple statement from GoogleGuy that Google is working on it would prevent webmasters from resorting to the types of retaliation that Japanese is suggesting.

2:04 am on Mar 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Idaho,

The problem is bigger than anybody here can imagine. Google and MSN are having very big problems trying to find a refined solution.

The internet was never designed to work with redirect scripts. Many blackhat webmasters started cashing in on the loophole at least a year ago. Making a competitor disappear into oblivion was the name of the game. Now it is a free for all. Simply do nothing and your birth right to create a website becomes the property of cheap script writers who think they are the beez kneez. What they are really doing is creating an effect, in many cases an AFFECT with a detrimental element to it.

Like there are specialists in medicine, there are back street abortion clinics.

Like there is Microsoft, there is back street script writers out to make a quick buck.

You will not find a redirect script that was specially written to be robot friendly. They were written to make money or to achieve a means. Unless people wake up and realise how messed up the internet is, it will get dirtier before it gets better.

Think? Do script writers have access to the algo of googlebot? I think they do not and they write whatever it takes to get an AFFECT.

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