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You can refer to September's Everflux / mid-month changes [webmasterworld.com] to see the previous pattern, which is one of the primary reasons we're trying to keep them all together.
To recap:
1.The Monthly Update
There's one major Google update per month, starting somewhere between the 20th and the 28th. It generally takes several days to settle, at which time the data migrates to Google's partner sites.
2. The Monthly Crawl
The major crawl takes place at right around this time. With some it's been reported to start at the same time or just before the update begins, while others are not crawled until afterward. This continues for several days, and there's been some conjecture that PR might possibly have something to do with the timing.
3. Mid-month activity, referred to as Everflux.
All during the month between updates there has been some spidering, sites added, and minor position changes. This is related to Google keeping their search results "minty fresh" but while minor ranking changes occur, this does not affect the entire index.
It's worked well, so we'll continue to do this now, in October. This is where we can post what we experience and observe, to compare and discuss it among ourselves. We'll again confine it all to one thread so it's simpler to keep track of the information and observations we share that are so important to us all.
Note: We'll be moving some threads onto this one, as we did last month, as well as for the update itself.
We sincerely thank you for your contributions to our collective knowledge and understanding and wish you all good luck with your sites.
So the question is, How does google know what's new and what's just updated? See?
G.
My question is, is it likely to assume that once my PR is recognized that the ranking may improve slightly, or is the current ranking which indicates a gray PR0 (not yet indexed) fairly accurate?
zeus
lawman
To rephrase, google guesses that a page is 'updated' because the
url has been seen by googlebot before, and 'new' when it is
an unseen url.
I, too, have been unable to figure out a pattern to google's crawling. I have 200,000+ pages, with only a portion crawled.
Some pages have been crawled in one month, only to fall out
of the index a few months later, even though the site navigation
hasn't changed.
>>>So the question is, How does google know what's new and what's just updated? See?
1: Grab main index page
2: Follow all internal links listed on the index page
3: Follow any new internal pages it's not seen before
I've yet to see freshbot go deeper than that internaly although it's possible it follows any new external links it's not seen before regardless of how deep that page is in relation to that sites index page. Any thoughts?
What I want to know is: might googlebot revisit my site between now and the next update? And is there any help I can get from Google? (or is prayer my only recourse?)
THANKS!
May just be the everflux acting up a little more than usual.
Craig
I'm also out of yahoo now, too.
what is going on?
are they providing results for archive.org now?
is it an error in the Google database?
what are the experiences of other members?
thanks
I don't target at just a few keywords. When I work my site, I target over thousand. So, I don't have to worry about a few changes in Google ranking change since each page accounts for a small amount of traffic.
HOwever, the problem is, my sites are nowhere to be found now.. One was an old site, and the others were new. The old one shows up in google the way it was about a month ago (title, description, cache). Kind of like www.archive.org
I think it's an error in their database, I just hope it doesn't stay this way. I mean why would google go back to the previously cached version of the page. This means displaying OUTDATED RESULTS.
Any thoughts?
johnd, did you check if your site is still in www2?
johnd, did you check if your site is still in www2?
my site is in all indexes, but it shows up as a cached version from a month ago (I had changed the title and the content slightly in the meantime). now, when I type the domain in the google search bar, I see the title that I used to see in google about a month ago. It had been updated by google, but now it's back to the previous title etc.
plus, my site is burried somewhere so deep that I can't even get to it for the keywords that I used to be in top 10-20 before.
but the answer seems to be simple - it's an error, like some others I've seen. showing old cached version of the page after having shown the new one for like a month can only be an error
I checked that search earlier today, and the first time I saw Version 1, exactly as it was when the update first "seemed" to settle. I checked again and got a Version 3, with one site dropped down a bit out of #1 and a few other pages gone.
I'm now getting Version 1 with the toolbar, with 4 of my pages in there and 596K pages, looking at www2 with 546K pages with 2 of my pages still there and 2 gone, and at www with 616K pages all 4 are there.
With another search, all 3 yield the same, but for one of my sites the indented page is now a different one.
Incidentally, mine are not all the same site, and there don't seem to be any fresh dates right now. Version 3 can't be pulled up, but it's a predicted wild guess that it'll turn up on www later tonight with the dates showing, with one page dropping down and a couple of others out of that search.
These are all sites that have been in the index for a long time, they're not new and none has ever had a penalty. So the appearing/disappearing phenomenon doesn't seem to be restricted to only new pages or sites. It also doesn't appear that disappearing pages is an indication of a sudden unexplained penalty or serious error, though disappearing pages is a little fresher than some of us enjoy.
These are all sites that have been in the index for a long time, they're not new and none has ever had a penalty.
Marcia, maybe this is a reason for the pages to be disappearing..
Think of the 'mintyfreshness' concept, and enlarge this to all the possible consequences.
Maybe this is not your case, I talk from my own experience :)
cminblues
I submited my site to google and on Saturday the 11th of October my site started coming up under certain keywords, it was actually #4 for a certain keyword. The same thing happened on yahoo, it was #4. But since saturday night my site has not been on google OR yahoo...it is a new site so I am not sure what happened...
If my site is blacklisted how would i know?
I find it really odd that my site was up one night and never again since...it is a bit odd to say the least.
If anyone could help me out I greatly appreciate it!
Thanks,
Stephen
Patience. Sites submitted since the last update (Sept. 28th I think it was) are only temporarily in the index. They will jump in then jump out, then back in. It is erratic as all get out, but don't get nervous. That's just the way it is. Your site should be much more firmly in the Google index with the coming Oct. update. Relax. Go to a movie.
