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3:21 am on Jan 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Seeing PR being updated on 66.102.11.99 now as well as anotehr datacenter. No toolbar update showing as of yet.

Happy New Year.

3:30 pm on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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djgreg, that's similar to what has happened to a few of my sites. The homepage started off with less than the internal pages.

One site that happened to in the last update, caught up in this update though.

Oh, and to the guy that posted that it may be because Google is splitting the PR; I use 301's on all my sites so that's not the issue.

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Too bad for you. Choosing to not understand why you rank how you do is your choice, but it leads to stagnation.

I understand exactly why we rank as we do. We have:

1. More relevant content
2. More "on-theme" sites linking to us (i.e. one-way links with relevant and varied anchor text)
3. We don't play in the "gray" SEO areas
4. We don't concern ourselves with short term SERP changes, as we don't depend on google (or any other engine's) free traffic to maintain our business.
5. We know that the importance of PR has gone the way of the dodo, and it's relevant links/content that has (and always will) won the day.

4:36 pm on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Oh, and to the guy that posted that it may be because Google is splitting the PR; I use 301's on all my sites so that's not the issue.

If you are doing this correctly, then why would google reurn PR for those urls? I just had this same exact problem you described and fixed it with 301s - the home page now returns the expected PR and the "bad" references are now at PR0.

Yahoo seems to have more problems with 301s and 302s, but google "fixed" the problem pretty quickly.

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Maybe it was just me, but I could have sworn that that the new PR was populate on the toolbar. But now everything seems to be rolled back.
4:53 pm on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Nope, it's still here. Zeroed out but traffic is way up.

I'm un-installing the ToolBar. What is the point?

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I had a PR3, but now I have a PR1, despite my adding about 50 themed recip links. I think I'll give up. I am NOT going to waste time trying to get more themed recip links. I will just let the site ride. This seems very odd to me when I think I followed Google's guidelines on links. Dismayed. I dont't "get it". My site is affiliate gifts. Is there a filter now against affiliate sites?
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Imagine what would happen if everyone quit at the first sign of adversity?
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OK, I just checked again and it shows PR3. So I guess I will just wait for things to stop shaking. Maybe I can at least hope to hang onto the PR3, who knows? Maybe the bar is indicating that I will finally have a PR1. If it is finally a PR1, then I am also removing the toolbar and forgetting all this.
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6->6
5->6
3->4
:)

An associate's new site that looks like it has gone to PR 4 in the Google Directory, remained at PR 1 on the toolbar. I suspect that their are occasional glitches when Google is not showing the new PR.

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Oh yeah! Whole last year my home page PR stayed 4, but tonight it went to PR6. Do I like it? Well... yes.

Something else is bugging me; inner page which was created on December 20th got PR5! From PR0 to PR5 for two weeks? I like it, but I doubt the algo works as it was supposed to work...

Anyway, very nice present on the first day of 2005 for me :))

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djgreg, both the pages you (and everybody else) are linked from dmoz and the Google Directory lost PR, even if it shows for example an 8. PR8.9826354 will create PR7 and 8 pages when it links out, but any PR8.063524 page will likely spit out only PR6's because of the volume of links on any Directory page.

More importantly, while you show PR6, it's your real PR that matters and the actual difference may be something like the differences between 7012 and 6986... meaning the change hasn't actually been much even though it looks like it.

On the other hand, it seems to me that this is a fairly large change, not a small one. The Google Add URL page going to 9 while Yahoo goes to 10 represents a rather large shift from Google's linking family to Yahoo's linking family.

(I also see a few mistakes in PR but others seem to have been corrected.... I have to laugh that the guy's electoral vote website finally shows it's real PR, two months after the election and seven or so months after he earned it via linking.)

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Hi,
To me the new pr change stems from some error which will hopefully be fixed. One of my pages with absolutly one back link from a pr2 got a pr6. Google declares 25 backlinks which are false. The error apears to be some sort of mix up. Some pages are assumed to have backlinks from high pr pages, when in fact they don't.
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To me the new pr change stems from some error which will hopefully be fixed. One of my pages with absolutly one back link from a pr2 got a pr6. Google declares 25 backlinks which are false. The error apears to be some sort of mix up. Some pages are assumed to have backlinks from high pr pages, when in fact they don't

I hope its not some error although i did wonder my domain and hosting went live 24th Dec and already has a PR3 not much i grant you but so soon? still I'm not complaining i think maybe i just caught the update in time :)

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this is bizarre....the update (backlink?) a couple of weeks ago took my traffic on every one of my sites to a third of normal levels.....(still yet to recover). SERPs crashed - some disappeared.

but today I find my page rank has increased on every page - some went from 6 to 7, others from 1 to 4 and 5!

Doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Can anyone explain?

If my SERPs disappeared wouldn't my page rank fall or are they unrelated? Or do I just need to wait.

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djgreg

Try validating your hom page html.

I've had sites go pr5 for inner apges, pr2 for home, I'd accidentally deleted a <body> tag on the home page.

1:32 am on Jan 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>http://directory.google.com/ drops to PR8, which should have a domino effect across the Internet for quality sites.

I notice a lot of dmoz.org pages have dropped a notch in PR. Likely because the dmoz.org gets a lot of its PR from the Google directory. There likely will be somewhat of a domino effect.

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The thing some here don't realize with PR is that
it is not a single digit..ie 5 6 7. That is just what is displayed on the toolbar and various other PR checking type devices. In reality PR may be 5.1, 5.2, 5.3

or 5.001, 5.002, 5.003 for that matter. What this means is that although you may not SEE any change in your pagerank it may have moved up or down decimal wise for that
given page.

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How to check exact page rank for give site, i.e. not just full number, for example I would like to know if some website has 7.9 or 7.01?
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I think everyone on this forum would like to know that.
If anyone knows how, they aren't talking.
I've had the same toolbar PR (one displayed integer) for a year now.
I'd just love to see the decimals. - Larry
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I am noticing BL changes for my site. My site page rank has already gone down and the backward link now it is showing has also decreased by a lot.
So, is Backward Link update also going on?
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PR and flying pigs....what's importent ...are you on top 10 in SERPS for your key words?
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what you'll do with a PR7 page when your are in #67 For "blue widgets"
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PR down from 6 to 5 for my three sites.

Interior pages all have increased PR.

Link count has increased around 20%

SERP positions unchanged for the moment.

I know PR is not the most important thing but its a bit dissapointing when you have been trying for a long time to increase inbounds to see the PR drop!

Perhaps this a sign that the PR calculations are not finished yet...I hope so anyway..:((

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4 datacenters, and "www" show the old data today.
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For me both is important. Rank + PR. For me rank is still ok for my site but really upset about the PR. It really hurts when u see your PR drops after giving so much efforts in bringing quality links for site.
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HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE AT WEBMASTERWORLD...

Good news for me....
I got a Page rank on my website....but not the higher..it's just...2
But what good is.....i got it back after 8 months..after a long time gap......but loosing the PR and getting it back ..it's something to feel happy abt...

wel all i want to say is....Thanxs a lot to every1 at webmasterworld ...

Regards,

KaMran :)

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still fluxuating..

Yesterday one of my sites PR changed from PR6 to PR5, and another site changed from PR5 to PR6. Now, I see both sites PR back to their origins!

--mOftary

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I have a couple of new sites which I put up in early December which now have PR. In both case I put all the 'support' pages (copyright, contact, etc) in a directory banned to bots via robots.txt.

These pages show in serps as URL only, which is to be expected. However they have now been given a PR, which seems odd. PR for pages Google has never visited?

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How do you get the Google Toolbar to use the 66.102.11.99 datacenter and see the new PageRank?
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