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Google June 2003 : Update Esmeralda Part 2

3:17 pm on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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MurphyDog/johnser/bokesch, sound like all your sites will benefit from those extra links over time. If we didn't get the site into this index, sounds like we'll get it soon. It's fun to watch expectations change. MurphyDog launched his site a week or so ago and is chomping at the bit for it to show up. Give it just a little bit of time--we should find the site soon. :)

P.S. I won't be posting as often (gotta work, ya know :), but I will be checking this post and chiming in when there's something I can add.

4:14 am on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Stephan, dazzlindonna, takagi, et al...

When I do a backlink check on the nine data centers for Yahoo! (Brett's thing), it is only -fi that shows a different number of backlinks (799,000). All other eight centers show the Dominic number (617,000).

I think Es is still only in -fi...

4:18 am on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

p.s., www2 and www3 pointed to -fi so no difference between those...
4:28 am on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I notice something wierd is going on. Serps have changed quite a bit in fi and other dc's since this June Update(whatever its called).
I guess this is coz of the freshbot activity.
Any ideas?
4:58 am on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Stefan, I stand corrected - I see that -dc also has Esmeralda now. Hmmmm. Our results vary significantly between -fi and -dc on some sites...wonder which is further along...
5:01 am on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My understanding is that -fi is probably the most up-to-date datacenter, there seem to be a lot of index pages and results which have been incorporated there but not elsewhere. I think most of us are hoping too that fi is "further along". I know I am.

The trend is very much that index pages are hopping in and out of datacenters such as -fi and -dc, rather like a light flickering on and off, and causing webmasters to jump for joy one moment and cry the next. I'm pretty sure this is all part of the update and when it's done these index pages will be factored in completely with the new SERPS showing throughout Google.

If you're flickering, you're turning on not off. :)

All the best,


5:20 am on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Jeremy,

Your feeling that -fi may be further along than -dc...I'm curious why you think that, given that -fi and -dc appear to be the only two dc's to have the new index.

Is it the fact that -fi appeared with the new index first (I think)? Or, something else?

I'm asking because I'm not sure that just because -fi was first with the new index that it is still further along than -dc ... with Dominic it seemed at times that data centers were sometimes in the lead and other times not.

PS...I'm not flickering in -dc and -fi...rather, with a few key sites, I'm up significantly in -fi; down significantly in the -dc. So obviously I'm hoping -fi is the better indicator for now, but as you say, things are changing so who knows...

5:26 am on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi wackmaster,

My hunch that -fi is more up-to-date is because it had not only the index first, but also for my site and my competitors is consistently showing fresh index pages and SERPS first. It just seems to keep doing things first, and -dc and also -va seem to keep following. Who knows how it will all pan out, but for me anyway -fi looks to be the best indicator so far.

Good luck,


5:39 am on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks Jeremy.

reneewood - yes. We have quite a few sites, and some are popping in and out. I'm actually worried less about those than about the ones that are dropping in the SERP's in some data centers.

For now at least, I'm assuming that ones that are coming in and out will ultimately be in...why not, unless there is some major penalty involved with them...but in our case we try hard to avoid anything that would cause a penalty, so I doubt that's it. Like Jeremy said...if they are flickering they are probably in.

Try to keep your patience a bit longer. Besides, no sense in going ballistic until you're sure it's warrented ;-)

My worry is that when we see a site that is up, and then in another dc it's down...well that seems like something in the algo is hurting us in some cases...but as I've posted elsewhere we're having a devil of a time figuring out what might be hurting us...

5:42 am on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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