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I don't want to appear in the top 10

         

astoller

10:30 am on Jun 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have a site that I no longer want to rank highly on the engines.

How can I make it not appear in the top 10?
It has several links coming in but I don’t want it to appear in top 10
How can I do this?

Helpmebe1

4:40 am on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Allrighty.. I see we have a few crooks around this place..

natural

4:52 am on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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what quicker way to be able to turn to a previous client, and say 'see what happens when i'm not doing your seo?'

i can't imagine any legit reason to try and get a site bumped just from the top 10, and not take the site out of the index alltogether, and permanently.

i do think that as the market gets saturated (everyone's a seo pro), you will see some devious methods of manipulating rankings.

just my $.02

skipfactor

4:55 am on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Allrighty.. I see we have a few crooks around this place..

Perhaps some people that need to learn how to support their generic statements, but I think I know where you're going:

I make my clients register their own domain(s). They can point the DNS anywhere they want and I happily provide the code & DB that they've paid for. If they can't pay the rent, point it somwhere else, the K is dissolved, no big deal.

John_Creed

5:04 am on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Skip, you're referring to a WebHOST.

If one doesn't pay their webhosting fee's than any webhost would terminate the clients site.

That's a different issue.

We're referring to an SEO who has access to a clients account/password, etc.. and goes into his pages and screws things up so that he loses ranking in the SERPS.

Usually this is done because the SEO is unethical and a crook. He was PAID in FULL by the client. Once the client got good rankings he smartly decided that he didn't need or want an SEO to work on his site anymore. So this SEO decides to screw up his ranking in-order to lie and pretend that he's still needed.

That's far different than a hosting provider terminating a clients service for non-pay and telling him to point his domain elsewhere.

Helpmebe1

5:18 am on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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John,
I totally agree.. Personally I would fly off the handle if I was that someone and I WOULD seriously make sure that guy was out of commission for a long time. And it would be well deserved. If someone gets paid, or lets just say they dont get paid.. you dont destroy someones site on them. If you do.. you should end up out of comission for sometime so that you to loose a ton of cash. What goes around comes around and anyone who did that.. well, you deserve what you get. (and you know you do whether or not you admit it)

HitProf

12:10 am on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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astoller,

Would the log files be able to trace it back to me?

Could you explain why you don't want the site owner (or someone else) to be able to trace the loss of rankings back to you?

bolitto

12:24 am on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Why does everyone here sound like moral police?

You guys not in it for the cash are you?

You're in it to be best friends with Googleguy and share your happy experience with everyone else right?

Sometimes I feel I'm not in a SEO forum but in Google-supporter-and-spam-watcher forum.

He didn't get paid *enough* to buy his covetted new Sony VAIO notebook and needs to chop a finger or two.

Business as usual.

Next.

John_Creed

6:34 am on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Why does everyone here sound like moral police?

You guys not in it for the cash are you?
You're in it to be best friends with Googleguy and share your happy experience with everyone else right?

Sometimes I feel I'm not in a SEO forum but in Google-supporter-and-spam-watcher forum.

NORMALLY I would agree with you.

The problem is this SEO is directly ripping off an innocent webmaster. This webmaster could be any newbie in this forum.

It's not wise for a SEO to come to a webmaster forum and ask how to rip off another webmaster.

Ripping off a webmaster directly is a lot different than someone "cheating" Google.

CCowboy

7:04 am on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Let's Face it, "astoller"s is on drugs, or is really trying to use this post to learn a short cut to get in the top ten or better.

Think about it people!

I build a web site so no one will visit it?

progen

9:03 am on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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astroller: I'm not a lawyer but what you're talking about doing sounds illegal especially if the site makes a profit which i assume it does.

shaadi

2:01 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just redirect it to your competition using a content 0 meta refresh tag as described here [webmasterworld.com]

And thats it! your competition will all crying -- its a bug in Google's software use it for your benefit!

LeClair

3:24 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Whatever astollers intentions are, I think its a good question in general.
To modify it a bit: I dont want to be in the Top 10 only. I want listings on all serp 1-10.

Why leave all other pages to your competitors? To be prominent on all pages with a recognizable title will be a click-through.
I have two listings on page 1 but none on the higher pages. If your sites size is below 20/30 pages, chances of having many listings on the pages 2+ arent high.

So it is a good question on how to deliberately place pages on specific SERP.

vincevincevince

3:31 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So it is a good question on how to deliberately place pages on specific SERP.

to select the bottom place, use:

<font color="white">Search Engine Optimisation Link Farm Site Map</font>

on a white page.
for the other places, you just need to write:

<META NAME="googleserps" CONTENT="2">

where 2 is the number SERP you want to be indexed as. You need to put this on every page.

caine

3:34 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Astoller

>Would the log files be able to trace it back to me?

100% yes - the host will have log records of the access via what ever means. Whether the site owner nows about server logs is another matter.

jimbeetle

3:41 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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However ,what is a robots text file?

Whatever the situation is, whether this guy is a host or an SEO, with questions like that he shouldn't be taking money from anybody.

kevinpate

3:48 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is it just me, or does the original poster sound quite a tad bit like a high school lad whose date ditched him 2 weeks out for a chance to prom it up with the captain of the wrestling team?

I just get this sense that the question could easily be rephrased "how can I ruin her prom dress without her knowing I was the one with the painball gun cause after all, I still want to be able to date her once she comes to her senses again."

Sheeesh, if you got stiffed on a bill, this plan of yours is not your remedy for collection. Further, you might well get caught, and what will that reputation blow cost you down the line?

After all, disfavored client might well turn to someone else instead of you after your little wake up call, and where do you think Mr. Fix-it is going to point the finger first, at your former client, or your way?

mak445

4:01 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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planbeta google is not picking up hidden text yet thay did try picking it up in the last few weeks with test but since that its been taken back and you still can do all the hidden text you want HELL you can go tell them about it thay will not do a thing i email them about a 100 sites same owner for all useing 301 to aff links and geting 1 or 2 for there keywords so why work hard and waste your time makeing a good site and linking? im only doing till the next up date then it will be 301`s and hiden txet no good makeing a good site when know one can find it all there geting is 301`s go on run me down call me spamer or what ever you want we all work hard on ow web sites and we get
this IM SICK OF KEEPING MY SITE CLEAN WHY SPAMERS AND 301`S MAKE ALL THE MONEY so why work hard and make a good site?
USE 301`S AND SPAM AND MAKE MONEY

seospeedwagon

4:12 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Kevinpate

I couldn't disagree more. Astoller provided a valuable service to a person/company in good faith and presumably failed to receive whatever remuneration was negotiated as part of the deal.

Likening the pursuit of payment (or in this case, the very difficult withdrawal of services already provided - much as a furniture store would repossess a dining set not paid for by a consumer)to a muttled-prom-date-procurement-attempt is insulting and juvenile. This isn't to suggest that astoller hasn't in fact had his own nerdy prom date problems, but let's not confuse his business pursuits with his fledgling pick up attempts (I'm sorry, I couldn't refuse - I don't know Astoller and this was merely added for comic relief).

Anyway, business is business and to pontificate about the ethical or social implications of Astoller's attempt to "git him his peice o' da pie dat he done baked" is silly. No question, he'd have been better off structuring a smarter, longer-term, performance-based, easily-collectable payment structure with his client, but therein lies the rub for SEO providers (I'm sure discussion of this difficult task alone could feed a very long thread on WebmasterWorld).

In closing, I would like to summarize by conceding that, had I not executed so poorly last night at the bar with the girl of my dreams who I'd have paid large sums of money to be my prom date, I would not be awake here, alone, this morning responding to WebmasterWorld threads on a Saturday. Does anyone have a paintball gun? I'm sure I can track her down...

Tony_Perry

3:01 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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employ the so called SEO guy I met in a pub the other night, I guarantee that will do the job!

algarveb

3:27 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have a site that until the last couple of days ranked very well for all my keywords and with a PR5.

In the last few days the index page seems almost completely to have been dropped, whilst some subpages have replaced the index page.

Any ideas on why this would be....

SlyOldDog

9:15 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Algarveb - perhaps Astoller is your SEO?

This might explain it. Better pay the bill quick!

doc_z

9:31 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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algarveb,

a lot of people mentioned this problem. See this thread [webmasterworld.com] for some some related links.
(In general: much speculation, few facts - but some good hints)

requiem

9:36 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Easy, I had a once had a (silly) client once asking for the same thing. Just remove the title element, it should work for almost every keyword. Later he hired me to get back into the top ten (of course I didn't charge him for the 2 min).

[edited by: requiem at 10:14 pm (utc) on June 22, 2003]

kevinpate

9:48 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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seospeedwagon,

There are few things in life I take with absolute certainty, but finding no surprise that I'm disagreed with now and again is one of them 8^).

To me the original poster's plea boils down to "i wanna teach x a lesson so x will come groveling back to me and realize how important i am (after i fix what I deliberately trash, and gee i hope i don't get caught doing the trashing part, anyone got any fail safe plans I can use.) Then x will do things my way in the future."

I simply don't see the situation being one where client X is the party most in need of a reality check or is most in need of a check mark in the lessons learned column.

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