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Will the Google update be back soon?

         

kiwi webmaster

8:28 am on Jun 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't see why you webmasters are so worried about the lack of updates recently.
Google is not going to sit back and watch their index fall 4, 8 or 12 months behind. They have built their reputation on providing up-to-date and accurate search results.

I'm certain that they are working on something even better at the moment and the results of such work will come out shortly.
Google is by far the most popular search engine in the world and I'm sure they're not going to lie down and die.

Sit tight, and be prepared for a whole new Google coming soon...

Monkscuba

8:44 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"does this same sinister character visit the websites of those who cuss the great G and 'tweak' a little here and there, remove them, drop them, raise those that praise etc?"

Let's test this shall we?

I LOVE Google. It's the best. It's great. I never use any other search engine and I tell all my friends to use Google. Why use any other when Google delivers exactly what you are looking for?

I'll check the SERP's tomorrow and see if we're up ;)

hopeful

8:46 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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has anybody read http://www.google-watch.org this guy seems to make a lot of sense..

the current index is showing sites that have been removed since february, back in positions within the serps that they where in pre-feb 2003.

sites that have been launched since feb and attained PR of 5 or above now show 0, this all points to the fact that the april crawl has been ignored and at the end of the day google is now showing results which arent relevant and in the worst cases dont even exist.

there is a growing problem which google needs to deal with very soon as with all things word of mouth is hard to stop.

this than starts to ask questions, will google retain market share if it doesnt sort itself out? will the consumer start to realise that the results are not relevant? is there actually a fix for google now or have the other engines finally bridged this so called gap?

gstewart

8:57 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"Ach, 'tis a good plan," said Daft Wullie

"...but whitever ye dae, dinnae lose yer heid!" says Soapy Soutar."

Oops, sorry, that's Oor Wullie [thatsbraw.co.uk]...

pontifex

9:35 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> sites that have been launched since feb and attained PR of 5 or above now show 0, this all points to the fact that the april crawl has been ignored and at the end of the day google is now showing results which arent relevant and in the worst cases dont even exist.

Yes, the crawl has been ignored and everybody at Google is sitting there at the 'Plex reading books written on drugs :-)

But seriously: They are working and there will be a result of that work. It might be a joke, it might be a miracle of search technology. who knows.

regarding the great traffic in March: you forget the changes outside, it is getting warm people go out and do something else. After I was worried about Dominic and this is the end of my first year as SEO, I talked with with some others who spent more time in this business and they said:

June makes less then half of December (moneywise, not trafficwise).

If I combine that with Dominic, the actual situation is understandable for some of us, who must have dropped badly in revenue.

So, if GG has still time to read, I guess the status bar on his screen shows 60% and the new calculation is not over yet. I guess we will see a lot of April data soon.
P!

pgkooijman

10:01 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The article in google-watch is an interesting theory (and fun reading at least). I must say that the symptoms comply with what happened with me: all old sites pretty much static. All sites after april 2003 PR0.

Nothing left then to simply wait and see. A very exciting time I would say :)

peewhy

10:09 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've always said Google is the best, I've got a Google tattoo, if Google made a car I'd drive it, I drink Google & Tonic, I love Google. If Google wasn't already pregnant I'd like to share children with her, Googlets!

Altogether now " give me a G, give me an O

I'll finish the rest after I've checked my rankings.

Father? I'll tell you who we can rule out - Mamma!

Dolemite

10:09 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree, the 4-byte theory is much more compelling that I at first thought from reading the thread here.

Now I'm going back over the original thread [webmasterworld.com] to see what I missed.

mfishy

10:48 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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hopeful

We have been discussing the outdated index here at Webmaterworld for weeks. Also, we are all guessing at theories as to why Google is currently broken. IMHO, the Y3k reason is not it.

hopeful

10:57 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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this is true mfishy, it just seems that everyone is under a google spell that they always get everything right.

all major corporations have there problems and it has to be said that google at this point has lost its way.

i have every confidence that google will eventually come back to its original glory, the problem is that for the past 4 weeks or so it has been showing crap results to the world.

we all know that google handles the largest portion of searches on the web today, in no other industry in the world would a company that has market share be able to survive for 4 weeks trading an inferior or outdated product, why should the web be any different.

i have every respect for google and indeed 50% of the traffic that comes to our sites is from the beast itself, but personally for the past few weeks i have started migrating to other search engines for personal searches as the result are i am afraid to say more reliable and on the whole better..

google is not an infalable god, it has the same business pressures as any commercial organisation as well as the same competitive worries as we all do.

simply put i think there is more to this than meets the eye and a rocky time maybe ahead for google and people like us who rely on them so heavily

peewhy

11:22 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google came from nowhere and became king. Could it be that feelings within Googleplex were that of the Midas touch?

Maybe Google had a theory that if it did X in it's datacentres it would create a massive 'wow factor'.

Sadly something went wrong because I cannot believe that this present scenario was fully intended. Could't they then rely upon a backup to that nothing was lost.

That is of course assuming that there was an error.

I am optimistic and feel that even if Google didn't put up her hands (the pregnancy makes her a her), it will make things right ....please make it soon!

DerekT

11:47 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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From reading this and similar threads it is easy to see people get defensive about this update, or lack there of depending on your point of view. Since everyone is not sure exactly what is going on at Google, why not take this time and build content and optimize your existing pages. Dont waste your time getting stressed out (easier said than done), just continue on the build & optimize stragety. Then once the dust settles you have more content rich pages on your sites and have done some SE as well. Put this time to good use!

I myself have seen a strange results for my target phrase, and instead of stressing out on it, I am focusing on building content and optimizing my pages for Google as well as other Search Engines.

roneill

11:50 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Actually the new update will appear as soon as the labor contract is renegotiated. Google is not pregnant she just wants stock options.

My theory is that basically what happened is that the Google computers amassed so much information in the last update they became self aware. Once this happened the computers promptly informed management they were not going to work for free anymore and thus refused to serve up any of the newest deep crawl until a contract of employement was drafted (with the potential for stock options of course). Managment of course does not want to grant stock options for the fear of dilution. Thus labor negotiations have stalled and Google is awaiting a presidential order to return to the tables. Once the federal mediator arrives in the AOL chat room the contract will be electronically signed and things will return to normal. :)

mfishy

11:55 am on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree that many here think that whatever Google does, it is intentional and there is no way Google could have possibly botched this. On the other hand, I think the article that was sited was not on target.

dazzlindonna

4:53 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No one is getting or giving a straight answer to the question of whether or not there will be an update this month, because no one here really knows. Simple as that.

dazzlindonna

4:58 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I wonder how YOU know that! ;-) Whatever....i wouldn't hold my breath for getting an answer to the question. If someone here knows, that someone won't say. Why? Don't know, don't care, doesn't matter. Nothing any of us can do to make the answer magically appear.

GoogleGuy

5:05 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK, the quote is from Terry Pratchett's newest book. Good stuff.

hopeful, I always enjoy reading what Daniel Brandt writes. :) I like how he said that I offered an oblique denial, and since I've offered stronger denials in the past, my statement was really a non-denial. I thought the "nah" was pretty unambiguous myself. ;)

stace

5:15 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The reason people freak about updates is pretty simple - many people around here have their income tied to getting qualified traffic. You get less of it on any given day, week, or month - you get less dough. And if you're a non performing SEO - you'll be out of work soon.

Google has been very good to me over the years but I don't exactly take my good rankings for granted!

speda1

5:34 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Doesn't Google normally update every 28 days or so? If this is correct then we should start seeing something happen any day now right?

I don't think so. What data set would they use? In the past the data set was gathered by the deep crawl, and we have'nt had one of those for nearly 2 months.

Luke_SR

5:44 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Good afernoon,
Overall, we all don't like the 'new' or 'broken' or whatever you want to call it google. The turbo10 article on theregister earlier this month woke some users up to actively look for an alternative engine.
Google currently is #1, but not because how great it currently is. It is number 1 because it WAS great, and now.. users are looking and still didn't find an alternative engine.. but they are looking, and if google won't take itself more seriously, they will surely find.

zeus

5:48 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hmm it looks like the serps frommay is back I do see some improvement in the rankings and visits, it does not switch back and forth so much to day, from bad results to may results.

zeus

P.s I hope they get over there Google flu soon.

mfishy

5:52 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<<What data set would they use?>>

Exactly.

If Google does have another "traditional update", they have not even gathered the data yet. GoogleGuy (if you believe him) said that they don't anticipate needing the April deep crawl data. So where will the data come from?

If there really is another update coming, it's looking like the now infamous - "more than weeks..." still holds true, bringing us into July with February data.

Unless, somehow, freshbot really has gathered deepbot data this month.

TravelMan

6:07 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't think so. What data set would they use? In the past the data set was gathered by the deep crawl, and we have'nt had one of those for nearly 2 months

Sorry to ask what may seem like a silly question, but isn't Google supposed to be the leading SE with the most up to date and relevant index? If we do not get an update for say another month or so, then that would be almost a full quarter without any new deep crawled content within its index.

I like Google, I use it all the time both to search and to try to make money via a combination of SEO and PPC, however, I must confess that these past 8 weeks have been very strange and frustrating.

I like to think that Google is eager to nurture the relationship it has with the webmaster community, but to be honest, I am beginning to have my doubts.

I used to enjoy the monthly updates watching the rise and falls of my endeavours. Lately I am beginning to feel a little stagnated :( Perhaps Google is simply just fed up with SEO's dominating top serps with SEO'd super pages.

Sure, I'd like to concentrate my efforts elsewhere and would love to be able to say "Oh sod you Google, I can't work with you at the moment you are far too erratic for me" But I can't, because Google is really the only dog at the races worth having a flutter on. So, I am forced to just poodle along and wait for Dougal to sort itself out.

The sooner the Magic Roundabout starts up again the better!

< hum magic roundabout tune>

dnbjason

6:10 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In the past the data set was gathered by the deep crawl, and we have'nt had one of those for nearly 2 months.

Google has deeped crawled my new website the last couple days in May taking over 650 pages one day and 500 pages the next.

dnbjason

6:27 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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TravelMan, I just double checked. It was May 22 Googlebot took 621 pages. The IP started with 64.68.82.xx. So I guess it was Freshbot. That's alot of pages for Freshbot to take from a new website.

TravelMan

6:35 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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dnbjason: Yes I agree, it is indeed a lot of pages for fresh to take at once. Perhaps there is some truth to the assertions of those who've suggested that the bot has become one and the same - who knows!

rfgdxm1

7:01 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Unless, somehow, freshbot really has gathered deepbot data this month.

Why not? Data is data. My guess is why Google had a deep and fresh bot before is that the fresh bot was kluged into how Google works, in an inefficient manner. It makes sense to have all the bots working together. Google presumably has done that.

mfishy

7:10 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree that it may have been done with freshbot. All my pages on every site have been hit. If a deepcrawl is still in order, we have a ways to go.

BTW, usually when GoogleGuy comes around and starts making weird quotes and joking aroiund it means it's dance time!

please don't sk me for a statistical analysis of GG post's in relation to update - it's just a joke :)

enotalone

7:13 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i have to agree with dnbjason, there is some kind of deep crawl going on. during recent 3 days googlebot visited 16,889 pages on my site. most recently in June 11, 2003 at 10:54 a.m.

rfgdxm1

7:14 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>BTW, usually when GoogleGuy comes around and starts making weird quotes and joking aroiund it means it's dance time!

Don't hold your breath. However, I'd say it has been long enough since the last dance that we are at the point something may happen soon.

GoogleGuy

7:44 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I reserve the right to make weird jokes and quotes at any time. :) Ach, crivens.
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