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Teoma will accept URLs starting tomorrow

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scareduck

11:49 pm on Feb 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just got e-mail back from Teoma -- they're going to start accepting URLs for site crawls starting tomorrow, February 15th, via AskJeeves -- apparently this will feed Ask Jeeves and Teoma. Happy submitting, guys!

rcjordan

12:11 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ladies & Gentlemen, start your (dumptruck) engines!

Brett_Tabke

12:48 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Sounds like it will be AllTheWeb/Google/Wisenut like and submit the root and let it go.

EliteWeb

12:52 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have quite a few sites, all different of corse but enough for me to ask if I should submit them a little (few per day) into the engine or dump them all in and not get penalized.

bird

12:55 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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start your (dumptruck) engines!

you wouldn't happen to mean this [static.wc.ask.com]?

Start diggin' into your money dump... ;)

webguybri

1:11 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Damm great find !!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is cool. I hate waiting to get indexed and dont mind paying. Free is good but fast is better.

Thanks a bunch this board is great.

Brett you should sell page views, i give you at least 500 a day :)

webdiversity

1:35 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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LOL.

The sting in the tail, submission is open for sure, it's a paid submission with guaranteed 7 day turnaround, in beta test, get 15 months for the price of 12, pricing looks pretty competitive, but it is 1.35am and sleep deprivation might make me think differently in the morning.

brotherhood of LAN

2:12 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Paid submission is it??

Im glad they already have my URL in there then :o) and ive never paid a dime for anything on here

happy submitting!

chiyo

3:13 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Seems to be direct competition to the Inktomi PPRegcrawl programs. Though (at the moment) dosent get distributed through a large network. That may change however.

Sure glad we are already listed. Weekly crawling would be the advantage, but not enough for our news sites, so not changing over at this point. (I say changing over becuase we cant afford to particpate in both Inktimi and Teoma!)

keyplyr

7:10 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My site is currently in both Ask Jeeves and Teoma, with nice ranking. I guess we'll wait and see if the "free" submits will be penalized or dropped the way Inktomi did when they implemented their paid submissions.

chiyo

7:32 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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ketplayr.. giving precedence to paid listings would destroy Teomas main (and probably almost only) claim to fame.. great relevance probably even beating Google.

That's not to say it wont be done. If it is we lose one more truly relevance based search engine.. and back to AlltheWeb, google, and Wisenut in a dwindling field.

keyplyr

9:05 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> ...relevance based search engine.. and back to AlltheWeb, google, and Wisenut in a dwindling field.

chyio, I respectively question why many are always including Wisenut in the "relevance" category?

I certainly do not feel that listings that have not been updated (for months) are relevant. How can they be? Content changes, new pages and new websites created, but Wisenut has been showing the same results almost since their launch. Not only that, but the site ranking (results order) has remained unchanged as well.

mayor

10:09 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Here's what I'm seeing in the early hours of the 15th...

First five listings are "Sponsored links" from Overture.

Listings that follow are "search results" from Teoma.

There's a "submit a site" link on the bottom of the AJ page that takes you to the pay-for-indexing program.

I'd say AJ has guts asking $30 for the 1st listing and $18 for each additional listing when they're going to bury your Teoma listings under a thick blanket of Overture.

This will be a "wait and see" for me. I doubt there will be a stampede to pay that kind of money for a second rate placement on a second rate engine.

kapow

10:43 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Is there a free submission url? (for new sites)

chiyo

10:51 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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keyplayer.. I went and checked Wisenut as i havent had a good look for a while.

Cant comment on freshness, but still looks good on our own test-kit of keyword phrases we use to test relevancy.

Not quite as good as Teoma/Google/AlltheWeb, but I think i would put them in the same category still, as there is a big gap between that group and the rest.

Based only a small subset of tests. We only test for 2 and 3 word phrases, as using just one keyword seems to be on the way out as users become more sophisticated, and indexes get bigger. Also we only test terms related to our sites and some general academic and business type phrases. So as always happy to be set straight by others.

Brett_Tabke

11:24 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Agreed Chiyo, the big 4 (Google/WiseNut/AllTheWeb/Teoma) are head and shoulders above everyone else that has come before them. Checked Wisenut lately? They've addressed their speed and stability issues to a large degree. This last crawl and indexing for them has produced very relevant results.

I holding off making any judgements about Teoma until we see a larger db. Is it there already? Doesn't feel like it to me. At 150'ish million pages, that's in the minor league stuff compared to the other three. I also am trying to reserve judgement until they get fully AJ'ized. AJ doesn't have a _real_ track record yet in the pure search field and with mountians of debt apparently pilling up, the heat is on them to produce. How that is all going to affect Teoma is yet to be seen. I hope they can put it all together to be another top notch engine.

bateman_ap

11:37 am on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Prob being slow but this submit URL thing will only index the submitted URL and not deep crawl the rest of the site will it?

backus

1:09 pm on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't like this. They aren't even out of beta and they are asking for money. No way. I'm not paying a penny. They can jolly well offer a free submit!

chiyo

1:24 pm on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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-;) Good point backus! At least Yahoo and Looksmart waited till they had big pulling power and a big database. It seems, after what brett said about database size that they are hoping to build up the database by paid listings.

mayor

2:18 pm on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've got about 500 pages from two older sites in the Teoma DB, a number similar to the the other SE databases.

I don't know how they got there. I didn't put them there. I haven't been watching my log for a Teoma spider, though.

Maybe they got a copy of some other SE's database.

A newer site (4 mos old) is nowhere to be found in Teoma.

Brett_Tabke

2:21 pm on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think people have missed the link bird dropped:

[static.wc.ask.com...]

Which leads to this page:

[ask.ineedhits.com...]

msgraph

2:57 pm on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What kind of search engine, that is based on linkage-hub-authority-google-doodle-type stuff, asks you to pay for spidering?

Aren't they supposed to "find" the sites?

What, they will ignore any future sites on their web graph unless they pay?

scareduck

3:27 pm on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm really amazed at the complaining going on about paying out a whole thirty bucks for a site listing. Jeez, do you guys have such tight marketing budgets that you can't afford it? Are these single URLs not resulting in an in-depth crawl? Then I might be able to understand the concern, but it seems petty to me if not.

andrey_sea

3:58 pm on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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scareduck,

its just the fact that you will not get much if anything at all at this stage with Teoma, who in the world except for SEOs has heard about Teoma?!

Brett_Tabke

4:44 pm on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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That's $30 for the first url and $18 for every url there after.
eg: it would be $275,000 to get WebmasterWorld fully indexed.

paynt

4:52 pm on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)



Guess we all need to start hitting that donate button up top, ey Brett ;)

Mike_Mackin

5:03 pm on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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So it's $18 to post? ;)

webdiversity

5:14 pm on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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$30 for the first url and $18 for each one thereafter.

skibum

6:02 pm on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Boooo Hisssssssss. So much for a competitor for Google - unles the PFI is more for show than anything else. If you really will have to pay to stay in the DB, it seems like a waste of some good Teoma technology.

IanTurner

6:02 pm on Feb 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It depends whether they are counting top level URLs only or whether they want individual pages submitted. If its for top level and they spider your site it may be worth $30 + $18 per site.

P.S. They must have updated their listings in the last couple of days. Just got in.

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