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Similar site rejected

they must have looked at the IP address

         

antcook

1:46 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi guys,

We paid 200 GBP to submit a second site to Yahoo with a different design to an existing site, but with the same content. By making the site design different, I was hoping to get a second site listed.

I submitted the new site as:

www.site2.com, webmaster@site2.com

I had to give billing details, but these are different to the original billing details for the first submittion.

Yahoo just rejected our submittion on the grounds that the site was listed already and there was a comment written by a reviewer that www.site1.com is already listed.

I guess they must have some way of determining the IP address of the site.

I now wish I'd put the new site on a second IP address - 200 GBP wasted.

Anyone think that this is worth applealing about? I don't want to get www.site1.com banned.

Thanks

Anthony

budterm

2:05 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yes, it is very easy to determine the IP address from the domain name. Just go to a command prompt and type "ping mydomain.com". You will get a reply that includes the IP address of mydomain.com. If you want all of the routers along the way type "tracert mydomain.com".

Still, it is not clear that this is why they would consider the site a duplicate. It is possible (tho not advisable) to have different companies hosting at the same IP address. More likely they went to the domain name record in Whois and found some common information.

antcook

2:08 pm on Jan 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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the two sites are:

[urls snipped - sorry guys]

Do you think that they contain "substantively unique content"?

satanclaus

6:25 pm on Feb 7, 2002 (gmt 0)



I don't thing it was the duplicate IP address that caused your problem. Speaking from experience this has never resulted in a denial.

I'm thinking the content must have been too identical to your first submission.

mivox

6:32 pm on Feb 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Do you think that they contain "substantively unique content"?

I think you answered your own question in your first post:

a different design to an existing site, but with the same content

If you actually submitted a site to Yahoo with the same content as a site you already had listed, you were basically flushing your money down the toilet from the get-go.

There's nothing to appeal from the sounds of it... Yahoo obviously thinks they do NOT have substantively different content, and from your own posts, it sounds like Yahoo hit the nail on the head.

Laisha

6:43 pm on Feb 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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There's nothing to appeal from the sounds of it..

You could very likely redo the site so that it does have unique content and resubmit it before the appeal time runs out.

This would be preferable to simply waving bye-bye to your $299.00.

john316

6:44 pm on Feb 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You have 30 days to appeal, maybe you could come up with some unique content (at least not a copy of your other site) and re-submit.

seth_wilde

6:50 pm on Feb 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have to agree with budterm... Although not all of the time, Yahoo does use whois info to look for dupes... I've never heard of them using IP's...

How's your first listings? In circumstances like this Yahoo will usually let you list the 2nd site and they will just remove the 1st site... If your 1st site isn't doing very well this could be a good compromise...

EliteWeb

7:17 pm on Feb 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Unique content, go with it spend a day to redo it all :)

antcook

7:25 pm on Feb 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ok guys

thanks for the advice. I'm going to spend a day on the content like you suggest. It's actually a mobile phone ringtone site, so I might do the new site as a collection of links, a couple of articles and guides, that sort of thing.

do you think that'll be good enough? We'll just use the site as a content site and promote other websites we run with banners or something.

hopefully they won't totally ban both sites.

do you guys think it's worth changing the IP address as well?

satanclaus

7:30 pm on Feb 7, 2002 (gmt 0)



normal answer: IP doesn't matter. If they're that worried about it they'll do a whois on you and find out anyway.

paranoid answer: yes. change your IP, the name on the domain registry and get a P.O box in another city, state so you can change the address on the registry too. :)

jamsy

11:39 pm on Feb 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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To be quite honest with you i doubt Yahoo will allow you in now. Regardless of new content or whois data.

In their eyes you have tried to de-value their index and thus should be taught a lesson. :(

Yahoo are a different breed to normal people/companies - their customer service is non existant. They think they own the net

To be fair to them though, they do provide me with loads and loads of traffic :)

I sincerely hope you do get back in and wish you the best of luck.

Let us know what happens :)