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Google to Inktomi?

         

newriver

3:03 am on Nov 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I saw in another forum a hint that yahoo was dumping Google for Inktomi for web page results?
Anybody have any info?

rcjordan

3:13 am on Nov 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Nothing definitive.

Welcome to WmW, newriver.

skibum

5:47 am on Nov 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Let's hope not. YAHOO! web pages would then be pay per click, and would probably resemble the "quality content" displayed on MSN.

chiyo

6:32 am on Nov 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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yes perhaps a good advantage of yahoo searching is they are backed by relevant google results. Getting the commercial based Inktomi results would decrese relevance badly. Still, yahoo needs to make money and inktomi would provide one of way of doing this I guess. But at what cost? New users wake up to what the nest search destinations are queicker and quicker these days. They would lose users quick to Google proper, Fast, Teoma, Wisenut etc. Still how key is search to Yahoo now.. I see them beefing up their overall portal services, preliminary to charging fees for some if not the great majority in future, - stock market quotes, instant messneging, email, games, custom news, it is all there and accessable with one account and password you dont have to remember for each service.

Portals used to be driven by search. I think that has changed and is continuing to change. They are leaving the pure competent seacrh business to specialist sites like google etc. They think, maybe, that there is better ways to make money than the search, which was the first thing that made them famous.

startup

8:22 am on Nov 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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If Ink was to pay, cash hungry Yahoo, to use their database this could be a very real possibilty.
Inks "PFP" scheme would now almost be a requirement for any website that is seeking full coverage.

<Just thinking out loud>

newriver

5:17 pm on Nov 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the welcome, all of these are interesting thoughts.

The question was asked in another forum, and the moderator there said it was a definate possibility with a wink. She is usually not wrong about Yahoo (don't know if she works there or not?).

The reason I am so interested in because my inktomi listings are up for renewal this week from last year, and until I heard this i was not going to renew them. If they switched places with google on Yahoo then I would probably rethink this.

I have never had problems with inktomi results, I think they are pretty good, and we rank well with them on the pure search. They are just real expensive to list our pages.

NFFC

5:35 pm on Nov 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>my inktomi listings are up for renewal this week from last year

So are a lot of others, strange how this rumour came about at this precise time.

>definate possibility with a wink

I'd go with the hard facts, "definate possibilities" are for those who rank on page two.

Marcia

8:25 pm on Nov 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>strange how this rumour came about at this precise time.

imho, it was probably a strategically timed, deliberately planned "leak." If people think the switch might happen, they'd most likely sign up in a hurry prior to the price increase as well as not too long after. After all, who knows when another increase will happen, right? Might as well get in while it's $15 or $25 and not yet $50.

So deliberately engineering a little "leak" at this time could well provide Inktomi with added leverage in negotiations with Yahoo, in the event they're actually going on. And if it's not so, or it doesn't happen, so what? Inktomi could feign innocence altogether, since it was just an unconfirmed rumor that started to spread.

Whether true or not, I really believe this rumor was deliberately leaked in strategic places through strategic information "sources"; it would take a lot to convince me otherwise.

Added:
newriver, I also happened to see that yesterday, as well as the wink. The information supposedly came from someone who was told by someone with an "inside track" with Inktomi. There was nothing else revealed except to nominally bring it up, which is exactly what's to be expected.

So the rumor spreads around, with Inktomi and PT apparently keeping their hands clean. The public silence is deafening. Actually, I believe Inktomi is digging themselves in deeper and deeper. There's enough to provide material for a novel by Robin Cook, there's so much in the way of deception that's gone on. It can't last forever; I just hope it doesn't eventually hurt everyone.

toolman

8:42 pm on Nov 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Two things to think about....

1) In the current state of the economy, will Yahoo be here in 1 year?

2) If INK results start showing up in the Y? serps, will there be a mass exodus of users to Google, further eroding the financial outlook at Y?

WebGuerrilla

8:45 pm on Nov 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I have know idea whether or not the rumor is true, but Ink is certainly a much better partner from a business perspective. Not only would the revenue sharing of paid submissions be attractive, having a search partner tha doesn't operate its own search engine is a much better choice from a market share standpoint.

Right now, everytime someone clicks on the web pages link and finds what they're looking for, they are presented with a logo and a link to Google.

How smart is that? You're paying Google a ton of money for the search results and you are also providing free advertising/branding that is contributing to their dramatic increase in market share?

Even if Ink didn't offer any kind of rev share program, they would still be a better choice (strictly from a business point of view) because Yahoo would no longer be building a main competitor.

WebGuerrilla

8:59 pm on Nov 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>>If INK results start showing up in the Y? serps, will there be a mass exodus of users to Google, further eroding the financial outlook at Y?

I think that's already happening. If you are a regular Yahoo user and you start to see how often the things you're looking for are showing up in the web page matches, how long will it take befoe you click on the Google link and start searching Google directly?

It's the equivalent of Yahoo saying "Sorry, our search engine wasn't good enough to help you find what you were looking for. However, we were able to find some relevant pages at a new up-and-coming search engine called Google. When you get a chance, you should really take the time to check them out!!

At least with Ink, the results appear to come from Yahoo. Even if the Ink serps aren't as good, at least Yahoo wouldn't be pointing the way to Google. All the dissatisfied users would have to go find it on their own.

msr986

11:45 pm on Nov 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I just want to point out that Y! was with INK previously. They would simply be "going back" to them. (Although that was before PFI)

It did not seem to hurt Y! when they had the INK SERP before.

(Although I do like the Google SERP better)

Marty