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Yahoo Express rejected me

Crazy decision - how best to appeal?

         

SanMiguel

6:45 pm on Oct 11, 2001 (gmt 0)



I have a long-time site that is listed in two places in Yahoo, one listing for my front page and another listing for one of my software products.

I submitted a new product to Yahoo Express. The product has a new URL, but of course it is under my main domain name.

Yahoo rejected it saying it was not "substantially unique". Since I have another product listed in another, unrelated directory, Yahoo deems that "adequate".

Am I angry? You bet.

There is not a problem with the site. It's professionally done and works perfectly. The new product is totally different from the other product currently listed in Yahoo. It clearly belongs on the category I submitted it to. There are only 7 other listings on that category.

Furthermore, I notice that Yahoo routinely provides separate listings in separate directories for separate products of the same company. For example, a quick search on Macromedia reveals a dozen listings in a dozen categories, one for each of their products.

The only problem is that the URL has the same domain name as another listing on the site.

If I appeal and explain all this to them, will they be reasonable? How can I get each of my products listed in the appropriate categories? Do I need to set up separate domain names for each product?

SubmissoR

7:38 pm on Oct 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I'm sorry to say you probaly have a losing argument, for Yahoo. Since it can be reached from a listing akready there, it's no go.

You should have just put it on a new domain name, made complete new site for it, how ever simple, then they would have let you in I think.

seth_wilde

8:48 pm on Oct 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to wmw SanMiguel!

Submissor is right...your probably fighting a lost cause... Yahoo generally only allows one listing per site (with some exceptions made for large companies like Macromedia)

Travoli

9:01 pm on Oct 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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SanMiguel,

Same EXACT thing happened here. This week too. Maybe you are working in the same building? hehe.

Drats.

SanMiguel

9:31 pm on Oct 11, 2001 (gmt 0)



I see microsoft-style anti-trust lawsuits in Yahoo's near future.

So what's the best way to deal with this? I can easily put all the content under another domain name. But I want to brand it the same with my company name, logo, etc. Will the yahoos at Yahoo look at that and say "Ah, same site" and throw it out again? Or can I submit a domain name that consists merely of text links to my main site? Or a redirect to my main site? Can I submit a bogus site without my company branding, and then add my company branding after they accept it?

In other words, how can I make the dingdongs at Yahoo think it's another site while letting my customers know it's all from the same company?

seth_wilde

9:39 pm on Oct 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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"Can I submit a bogus site without my company branding, and then add my company branding after they accept it?"

This is your best bet (you need to make them believe that it is a totally different company).....you do run the risk of them finding it in the future..... but this doesn't happen very often....

jason4656

3:21 am on Oct 12, 2001 (gmt 0)

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i have to disagree with all this cos a competitor of ours when u type in their url has over 70 listings from the same domain name all in different categories. I am at the moment looking into doing something similar by entering different services to different categories from the same domain name. They are totally different services and are in totally different categories I refuse to beleive its impossible as its clearly listed for one of our competitors and they are not any large company anywhere like macromedia just another .com like us

jason

seth_wilde

3:20 pm on Oct 12, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Hi Jason...

Lets us know how it goes for you....what your describing is definitely not the norm and goes against Yahoo's terms of service.. Good Luck!

2_much

9:50 am on Oct 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Hi SanMiguel,

I think your best bet is to set up another domain and add the branding afterwards.

I'd encourage you to try and appeal first. Perform some research and show them some instances where they've already done this. Put together a convincing argument as to why it's in their benefit for your site to be listed in that category. Emphasize how it'll benefit Yahoo's users.

If you put together a good appeal, they can be convinced of many things.

Good luck! And welcome to WmW, SanMiguel and Jason4656!

john316

11:07 am on Oct 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Look through your server logs for the yahoo! reviewer, it should show up. If it was a cursory "review"' like they looked at 2 pages and left, dispute the charge on the credit card and put the onus on them to do a FULL review. Make sure you have the server logs to show.

zechariah

1:11 am on Oct 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I have the same problem as Jason does but for this link I regcon that this site got their links in long before their express submission inclusion .Try doing a search on " asiaep " & they have 77 subdomains listed under their main domain but all serving different contents.So how can I notify yahoo if it's against their rules Seth ?

seth_wilde

3:21 pm on Oct 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Does the Yahoo! Directory allow duplicate listings?
No. If you find a company that is listed under more than one URL or title, please let us know by sending an email to our Directory Support Department.

url-support@yahoo-inc.com

glengara

5:54 pm on Oct 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

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The way I read the runes, sub-domains are acceptable if they can stand alone and have minimal inter-linking.

If branding rather than theming is the object, sufficient care in setting this up should get them accepted.

zechariah

12:50 am on Oct 16, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Seth,I know very well that this subdomains they are playing around with are only in their interest of self promoting their own website.But can't blame them, who wouldn't be selfish?And even more so when the internet was at it's infancy for exploitation.But the game has changed & it's fair play for all -agree ?We must educate & propagate the right stuff !Regarding the email,I have sent them -just hope that they will do something about it.Anyone got any effect for that problem after sending the email --do they really check?Just hope for the best --can never complain too much.

daveman

11:32 pm on Oct 18, 2001 (gmt 0)



I have a very similar problem to San Miguel. I have a listing in Yahoo for one company and one URL and I have just been rejected for another one. The business, identity and URL are all unique but Yahoo has rejected my submission becasue they say the content is not sufficiently unique. Any person that looks at the two sites can plainly see that they are completely different although owned by the same company. Don't other organizations own numerous web sites that are listed on Yahoo?
They've taken my money. What can I do? They say I have one appeal and I have exhausted it.
How do you deal with these people?

SanMiguel

3:10 am on Oct 19, 2001 (gmt 0)



Daveman,

Can you tell us what you said to Yahoo in your appeal and what they said back to you? Has anyone ever appealed Yahoo successfully?

daveman

12:45 pm on Oct 19, 2001 (gmt 0)



Hi San Miguel,
I am learning that dealing with Yahoo is like trying to hit a moving target. The original rejection was because they said one of the pages on my site caused Netscape to crash. Even though we could never duplicate the problem I decided to remove the 'offending page' and resubmit with my appeal. This latest rejection was for the reasons that I mentioned in my last post i.e. not unique content. According to my original agreement with Yahoo I have only one right of appeal. This latest rejection came with a phone number to deal with "billing issues" so I phoned it and they said to go ahead and appeal again since it is still within 30 days of the original submission (is it possible they have a secret policy to allow more than one appeal?). This just happened last night and I am just now formulating my argument for appeal. When done I will post my argument and Yahoo's reply.

2_much

1:41 am on Oct 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Hi Daveman,

Check and double-check to make sure your site works well in older versions of Netscape and IE.

Then, if you can, add a couple of pages of UNIQUE content.

In your appeal, mention that your site is fully operational AND contains unique content.

Focus on emphasizing why listing your site will benefit Yahoo through happy users.

Also, I've noticed Yahoo seems to be getting better about customer service. This may be part of it.

Good luck!

markd

6:21 pm on Oct 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

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... all while remembering you actually paid £299/$299 (plus your management time) to go through this torture!

WebGuerrilla

6:40 pm on Oct 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

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SanMiguel,

One quick point about using examples of other sites in your appeal. Make sure you don't use a company like Macromedia. They have multiple listings because they are a public company. All public companies get multiple listings. (One of the perks of an IPO :) )

Try to find and example of company similar to yours. Plead your case politely and try again. If that doesn't work, a separate domain that hides an connection to your orginal site is the only other choice.

markd

5:24 pm on Oct 31, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Just as an update...

a friend has just had their site rejected due to a lack of backward compatibility with older browsers.

The site specialises in highly innovative 'streaming video' services. It really is a great site which targets its market perfectly.

Yahoo have completely missed the point, as it is clearly NOT targeted at those with older browsers or those who do not care to download/view video or have high bandwidth connections. The first page of the site clearly states this.

In other words if you can't access it successfully with Netscape V3 and without plugins the site is not for you, just leave!

This is another example of Yahoo putting their head in the sand as the modern web increasingly contains a combination of excellent 'plain vanila', text and information-based sites together with those who are trying to do something 'different'.

By the way, the site was accepted in Looksmart.

zechariah

12:50 am on Nov 1, 2001 (gmt 0)

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From what I see in this post ,I feel that US submissions are rather strict,compared to the regional submissions.If what all you all discussed here I feel that some sites that I've seen submitted shouldn't even have gotten in..

daveman

7:39 pm on Nov 6, 2001 (gmt 0)



I succesfully appealed! Just today I received notification that my site has been accepted. This despite the fact that it was my second appeal. After my first appeal, which in my opinion was not for reasonable reasons (a page supposedly crashed in Netscape), I was rejected on the basis that my site did not have sufficiently unique content. I wrote a long and detailed argument pointing out the uniqueness of the content. I did not hear anything and continued to follow up with reminders by email. Today they responded in the positive. I have a renewed belief that humans actually are behind Yahoo! If anyone wants a copy of my email to them I'd be pleased to share it.

SanMiguel

9:23 pm on Nov 6, 2001 (gmt 0)



Oh, excellent news Daveman! I for one would love to see your letter and (if the moderators think it's appropriate) I think it should be posted right here on the board. I sent an appeal a couple days ago for my site and hope to have similar news sometime soon.

NFFC

9:31 pm on Nov 6, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>should be posted right here on the board

Sticky mail is where it belongs, I would hate for a "private" email of mine to be posted on a public board [or even in a sticky mail!].

daveman

10:24 pm on Nov 7, 2001 (gmt 0)



Hi SanMiguel and NFFC. I tried to use sticky mail as suggested but wasn't sure if it worked.
Did you get the info?

SanMiguel

5:29 am on Nov 8, 2001 (gmt 0)



Daveman,

Yes, I got the mail. Looks great. I wish I'd seen yours before I sent mine in, because I could have used some of your ideas. I'll just have to wait and see what the Yahoos do with mine. Thanks.

SanMiguel

2:20 am on Nov 9, 2001 (gmt 0)



My appeal was accepted by Yahoo and my site is finally going to be added! Many thanks to those who provided the ideas and advice on how to form the appeal.

I based my appeal on three things: 1) Yahoo visitors will expect our site in the appropriate category, 2) Yahoo allows other sites to have multiple listings - I gave an example, 3) There was no way I could predict my site would be rejected just because it's under the same domain as another listing - the terms of service don't say anything about that .

In the future, though, I'm not taking this chance. All future submissions to Yahoo will be published, at least temporarily, under a unique domain name with no company branding.

daveman

3:17 am on Nov 9, 2001 (gmt 0)



Congratulations SanMiguel!!

SmallTime

7:29 am on Nov 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Arrgggh, just joined the ranks of the rejected. - they said site could be reached from previous listing - (true, they are same company, and cross linked)- but is unique content, domain, and catagory. Will have to try the appeal route.