two domains - one order page

[oilman]

One of my clients has 2 domains that point to the same place and we are trying to decide which one to submit to Yahoo.

Here's the problem:
domain1 is the name of the company and will be used for tradiditonal marketing (print ads etc.)

domain2 is keyword rich and a very good promotional domain.

The problem lies in the fact that the Thawte certificate is assigned to domain1. So if you click on domain2/order.htm it takes you to domain1/order.htm.

I suggested throwing it into a 100% frame but the client doesn't like the idea of getting that non-secure elements warning.

Will yahoo reject the listing if we put up domain2 with order page being found at domain1?

[Mike_Mackin]

Is domain1 currently list in Yahoo!
If not , I would submit domain2 and feed the listing to Google.

[oilman]

neither of the domains is in yahoo at this point.
>>I would submit domain2 and feed the listing to Google
That is my thought as well but I'm just concerned that they won't like the redirect on the order page.

[Hunter]

Oilman,

>Will yahoo reject the listing if we put up domain2 with order page being found at domain1

I would do whatever you have to to use the keyword rich domain. Yahoo is all about your keywords in category, title and des. Have domain1 redirect to domain2 and don't submit it to any SE's. Also, Good affiliate sites seem to pull this off (domain2->domain1).

[Mike_Mackin]

Directory editors are reasonable people.
EXAMPLE

[search.yahoo.com...]
[kbb.com...]

[kbb.com...]

[shop.barnesandnoble.com...]
A full-on affiliate link [they use B&N for fullfillment]

[2_much]

Hi Oilman, check your sticky mail.

[JamesR]

Once you get the site in, you can always switch out the 100% frame to make your client happy.

[dwedeking]

We have a site listed in Yahoo for a client even though the shopping cart is on a seperate domain (we did this for programing reasons as the client has the site hosted with the people who do all their networking). No problems getting into Yahoo.

[dogboy]

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...if you were dealing with your own stuff I might suggest buying a domain to be used only for secure forms and call it something like 'secure-order-form.com' ...but put a generic index page there that says something like 'this site is encrypted for your protection, etc, but nothing more' ... then just add directories for your other sites that need secure forms...like 'secure-order-form.com/some-other-domain/form.html'

...then you can keep all your forms at one place... one cert to deal with... very easy to 'move' if you need to... BUT this can also get you busted if you are dealing in dup content... someone might decide to see how many links point to 'secure-order-form.com' and bust you by back tracking...

2.) "I suggested throwing it into a 100% frame but the client doesn't like the idea of getting that non-secure elements warning."

well, if you just put everything in a non secure frame, you wouldn't be doing yourself any good b/c the surfer will see that the frame is non-secure. That means you will have to use a secure frame .... but you will get the non-secure elements warning, like you mentioned...the way to solve this problem is to make a special template for all your secure pages... then put them and all your images all on the SECURE site and reference the secure images.... but the problem is now you will see the url of the secure domain... which isn't what you really want to do...

solution: if you are sure you can rank it, spend the money on the cert. If the domain gets busted for duplicity, you will lose your $200 submit anyway.... might as well just get the cert and be done with it... if you can't get your money back out of the site when it ranks, it wasn't worth promoting in the first place.
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[oilman]

>>if you can't get your money back out of the site when it ranks, it wasn't worth promoting in the first place

hear hear - never a truer word was spoken ;)

Thanks for all the input.

[eljefe3]

On a similar tangent....

I just had a site get into yahoo and within 10 days it was dropped by either one of two things.

1) The server/hoster screwed up and I saw that when clicking to the homepage an error 401 password protected message appeared( I never set the homepage to be protected). I mentioned this error to the server/hoster and they apologized, but they never told me how/why this happened.

2) The name on the certificate didn't make the domain name as this particular hoster allows the use of their certificate( I don't think it was this however as that's the way it was set up upon submitting and being accepted).

I've written back to the biz express editor to see what they say as the site was dropped in less than 10 days after being accepted. Any one have any similiar experiences/thoughts on this?

I'm sure a competitor turned me in, but I'd sure like to know how and why it was dropped. If I do hear back from the biz express editor I'll pass along what they say.

[2_much]

Hi eljefe,

This happened to me recently.

One time it was because allegedly, the file size of the order page was too large and was taking too long to load (crashed the editors' browser).

I emailed the editor back with a very courteous letter stating, "I paid, my site was accepted, thus it was considered quality, now I'm not there, what happened, blablabla" and he replied and eventually the site got re-added. Since you paid, if you worded the email correctly, there's a good possibility that he/she will tell you what happened.

Keep us posted!

[eljefe3]

Good news!

I received an email back (not from the original biz express editor, but someone else there) and they said it was marked for removal because of the error 401 that someone so kindly "alerted" them to. Yahoo said the site will be reinstated and the site is working fine now :).