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Looks like that $300 link was worthless, unless I stay on the main page after the "new" designation goes away....or unless the new structure just needs to be crawled etc. :(
In the majority of cases, a directory with a PR4 or more home page would show zero PR just one level down. It seemed to be too consistent to be accidental and left me with the impression that directories might be receiving some special treatment when it comes to PR display on the toolbar.
I have no idea if that is plausible.... just an observation based on what I was seeing at the time.
Yahoo! isn't about the pr, it's about the trust.
I think this could be another myth. Or atleast not as much as every one thinks here.
I tend to agree. Why do Yahoo editors see fit to include sites for free at times, yet those same sites are banned/penalized in Yahoo search? Seems kind of unrealistic to believe that Google would/should trust the Yahoo directory, when Yahoo search division doesn't.
[edited by: The_Contractor at 11:32 am (utc) on June 4, 2007]
Can anyone here visualise going up to yahoo an demanding to know why the TBPR on the internal pages is not up to expectation,,
perhaps ask some one over at google why yahoo directory internal TBPR is not up to demand
Submission to yahoo directory or Yahoo search , or Yahoo services really has to bee seen from yahoo's view point.
They give you their stamp of approval, a stamp as valued in the internet community as a dmoz listing,
How google , gigabot, ask, msn et al decide to value that yahoo mark of approval is a matter for them.
Yahoo directory, IMHO, remains a directory to aspire to for listing, if you can afford it
I don't pay for my new sites to get added. Waste of money in my opinion. They are just one link, and a paid one at that!
I think everyone should submit their site to Yahoo's free index inclusion request. But in my opinion... pass on the directory.
Yahoo's directory is a revenue stream... not a quality test. That is why the fee is annual
Well, in the good ol' days, you paid once, canceled your recurring charge, but still show up - pay once and you are done. I paid once in 2002 for one of my sites, and I'm still in the directory. This still holds true for several of my clients.
Martinibuster is spot on; it's a trust issue.
Traffic from the directory is nil. Every new or redesign I'm involved in, the Y! directory is an automatic decision, but not for the traffic, and certainly not for one inbound link. Trust is the answer.
As for using the toolbar PR to monitor Y! results, it's a bit of an oxymoron, don't you think? That little green bar's value "factors in link structure and many other variables" as G says. So, the real value here again is trust.
1. The category you are listed under.
- How relative is the category to the keywords you want to show up for?
- How many other sites are in the category?
- Is there a high likelihood that your site will be buried on the second or subsequent page of results?
- Is it a "top-level" category, or will the site be buried in a category so deep that its significance will be less to users and search engines.
- PageRank of the category (although not necessarily THE deciding factor, should be considered)
2. How will Yahoo list your site? Will the title be relevant to the keywords you want to show up for in the search engines? If not, you may want to skip Yahoo.
I have a few good Yahoo listings that have been very worthwhile, one that even gets good natural traffic from the directory. But I've had others that were worthless, where my link was buried on the 10th page of results for its category.
You always want to consider the value of a directory listing based upon how good it is for the user, as well as the search engines, and most of the time these two factors go hand in hand.
[edited by: seoArt at 2:45 pm (utc) on June 4, 2007]
It's different when your site got grandfathered. Nowadays they kick you days after expiration.
If you have a quality site with good content, and you revoke your credit card before they can automatically recharge you after the year is up, you are basically grandfathered. because Yahoo will not remove quality sites from its directory.
If your site has no unique content, then yes they will probably revoke your listing, so once again content is king.
Anybody with this experience?
Also, my understanding, is that the PR on the first page is distributed amonst the remaining pages in that category, since Yahoo serves the entire category to Google as one page, and only divides it up into 20 listings per page for the user (sort of reverse cloaking).
So if Yahoo has 90 listings in a category, with a PR4 then that PR4 is spread amounst the 90 listings, not just the first 20.
I rented a spot in 2003-2004(got denied on the first try, but got it later). took about 3-4 month to build up backlinks(back then). Got bumped to #2 for #1 searched term. at one time site ranked even as #1 for 2 month or so, but then the big scraper network got taken down, so did the backlinks.
There were bunch of SMBs that I exchanged links with based on the fact, most of us are slightly enjoing the top spots these days and trafic from each other.
I am still at #2. I have the content and widgets to back it up.
oh BTW, 0 traffic from it back them....
Can anyone tell me whether helping Google crawl the page where my website is will have any effect (placing links from my own sites to Yahoo)?
The difference is that Yahoo is a big player (as is Google) and as we all know the rules are different for big players because they have the ‘pull’ and they have more trust. This is the key difference.
Do you know that to be a fact? There has been some conjecture on this and to the best of my knowledge there has been nothing from Google to confirm it.
A Yahoo or BOTW may be treated as authority directories but there are a gazillion crappy directories out there where the review fee is just a way of camouflaging payment for a link.