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What to do about spam site in Yahoo?

         

jaffstar

12:32 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just noticed a site ranking #1 for a very competitive term in yahoo. When I click the listing , I am redirected instantly to another site.

I managed to view the source of this site, and it must have the keyword repeated about 100 times, total keyword stuffing and spam!

This site was designed to mislead users/yahoo, any ideas on who to contact?

DaveAtIFG

12:58 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Try Yahoo's Search Spam Report [add.yahoo.com].

jaffstar

1:08 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Much appreciated :) Its amazing what people will do to get to the top. I hope they burn!

jrs_66

6:06 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The spam report generally seems to do nothing about getting rid of a page... waste of time.

DaveAtIFG

7:06 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That's probably true if you expect "instant results." I suspect the days of hand edits are long gone, at least for the most part.

I think you're likely to see reported sites disappear within a few months, probably after an update. But I haven't made any recent reports and tracked their effectiveness over time.

Have you jrs_66? Or anyone?

natim

7:48 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I reported 2 sites that COPIED my entire home page text over 3 months ago and no action has been taken. I finally contacted their isp and threatened them with the DMCA and they removed them in about 3 days. My site was #1 for over a year at Y and still top 3 on G and has been for very long time. Also listed as one of the most popular in category in Y directory but no where now to be found in the first 800 or so serps. Site is over 3 years old.

jrs_66

8:25 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've been waiting a lonnnnnggggg time for complete spam to be removed... nothing.

DaveAtIFG

8:37 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo is the only entity that can comment with any authority on how spam reports are handled or viewed of course. But I'm very confident that without spam reports and feedback, little would change or improve. :)

dertyfern

9:21 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I reported a totally spamy site months ago...I'm talking about serious hidden text, doorway pages, guestbook links, enough spam to choke a cow...still waiting for some action. The site in question ranks first for a very competitive phrase. Hmmm, interesting though, in the mean time MY super clean site was removed! How 'bout them apples...at least I'm still kicking butt on Google and have been for some time.

JohnieWalker

9:32 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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But I'm very confident that without spam reports and feedback, little would change or improve...

... But I'm very confident that with spam reports and feedback, little would change or improve YOUR rankings.

jaffstar

7:24 am on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Don’t you think this is ridiculous? Anyone here from yahoo?

Google seem to be on form with this abuse.

tictoc

9:29 am on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I agree these pages that redirect need to go! I wish Yahoo would take care of this problem and index the pages that have real content that the user is searching for.

cleanup

10:34 am on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Have reported two or three obvious Spams to Yahoo!.

They are still there after five months...not really over impressed with Yahoo! at the moment.

Y! SERPS and Spam weeding are inferior to Google. IMHO

artdog

6:24 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I reported some sites to HotBot which is Ink too and they dissapeared from Y! and Hot after a couple months. HotBot responded with an email thanking me for the report.

cleanup

6:35 am on Sep 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thats interesting art..when did you send the email and how long did it take before removal?

Can you share the email address you used?

artdog

5:07 pm on Sep 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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cleanup

Don't recall been awhile now just go to HotBot and look around, you'll find a contact address. Pretty sure thats what I used to make report. Hot responded within a week thanking me for the report and a couple months later the sites were gone.

lgood123

5:18 pm on Sep 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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i think one should just report the spam site (if they are that upset about it) and move on. Frankly, why should people "play fair" when google isn't "playing fair"? Sure, they give you all this baloney about what they are looking for, but the rules change on a daily basis and without warning. They should just "play fair" and tell you that you will most likely have to use adwords to get anywhere unless you are one of the lucky few who somehow figures out a way to defeat a system that is in constant flux (even if one resorts to spam and is successful, this is pure luck these days and is most likely only temporary).

lgood123

5:22 pm on Sep 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I now see that your question was about yahoo, but the same comments apply.

jaffstar

6:22 am on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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i think one should just report the spam site (if they are that upset about it)

I have reported it. I just get angry when I play by the rules, and watch a site break every rule including the search engines, and beat me to the top unethically.

It’s like an athlete taking steroids in the olympics.

most likely have to use adwords to get anywhere unless you are one of the lucky few who somehow figures out a way to defeat a system

Most of us here are the lucky few :) Welcome to the party.

[edited by: DaveAtIFG at 6:33 am (utc) on Sep. 3, 2004]
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lgood123

11:25 am on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I understand your point about most of here being the "lucky few", but what about the "temporary" in nature part? Why are there so many posts about sudden and dramatic drops in traffic? This is nothing new. It's been going on for years.

duckhunter

12:03 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Here's the HotBot Spam Report

[help.lycos.com ]

cleanup

2:07 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Duckhunter.

Had looked for it on Hotbot without success.

Ill try reporting some SPAM. The only problem is,

with so much where do I start! ;)

chrisnrae

2:51 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"with so much where do I start"

Ok, maybe it's just me but, wouldn't that time be much better spent working on your own site rather than combing the SERP's looking for sites you can report? Pushing down the competition won't do much to push yourself up.

When you get their current site banned, their next site will replace it in less than two weeks. Seems a waste of time and effort to me that could actually earn you money if you channeled it into productive work.

Liane

3:09 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Have you jrs_66? Or anyone?

I submitted a spam report to yahoo ... not once but three times in the past 6 months for a site which was using my copy to get search engine placement. It then automatically redirected to another site. Very annoying.

I reported two more (also in the last 6 months) which both used white text on white backgound and another which had 47, nearly identical doorway pages.

Nothing ... nada. The spam report is a farce! Yahoo does nothing with the info. You're better off just spending your time trying to beat them with more "acceptable" methods and let everyone else fend for themselves.

cleanup

6:05 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My Sites do fine thanks al all but Y!.

With so many abritary "penalties" imposed AND loads of
blatant SPAM. I am betting (alright hoping)
that Yahoo! will be losing Popularity soon.

I don't think anything will be done, its really
just en experiment to see if the Hotbot address
really works.

If you saw the spam I was looking at you would agree.

AmericanBulldog

6:23 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just noticed a site ranking #1 for a very competitive term in yahoo. When I click the listing , I am redirected instantly to another site.
I managed to view the source of this site, and it must have the keyword repeated about 100 times, total keyword stuffing and spam!

This site was designed to mislead users/yahoo, any ideas on who to contact?

Jaffstar, was the redirect to a site that was on topic for the search? If so, why bother reporting it for a perceived violation of Y's guidelines.

If it is ranking well for red widgets but redirecting to blue wodgets I agree, it should not be there. But I do not make it my duty to help Y improve their algo, If I am competing for a serp, I'll examine it and learn from it.

It is far more important to learn what works rather than what the search engines would lead you to believe.

WebGuerrilla

6:38 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A couple of separate issues here.

First, if you find sites using your copyrighted material, that isn't something you deal with through a spam report. That is something you deal with using the DMCA.

All search engines must respond to a DMCA complaint in a very short time period. Failing to do so prevents them from removing themselves from potential civil liability. Engines don't like to be sued, so the tend to respond very fast.

Someone who is simply "breaking the rules" is a completely different matter. That type of content shows up because the algorithm allows it to show up. It isn't against the law, it is simply someone exploiting an algorithmic weakness. Removing sites like that by hand, only make new room for other sites exploiting the same flaws.

That is why search engines tend to leave sites that have figured out the holes. It simply makes more sense to let them live a little longer while they try and program a solution to the big picture problem.

Those that feel these types of sites are evil and should be instantly banned (in the hope that their "honest" site will replace it) would be much better off spending their time studying the offending sites.

Even if the degree to which the site in question has gone to gain traffic is one that you would never consider, there is still much you can learn and apply to your own site in a manner that fits your own personal comfort zone.