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Yahoo's top ranking of a site that has ripped off my publication

What to do about it?

         

ronin

3:41 pm on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If Yahoo! doesn't think my site is good enough to list, that's really up to Yahoo! But now I have to contend with Yahoo! giving a very high position under lots of search terms to an Italian site which nine months ago stole a significant amount of my content (text, graphics and format) and did so in a really amateurish way. (They didn't copy the stylesheets, so, the layout looks awful).

I have long given up on sending emails to the Italian site. They won't give it up and I don't want to sue them, it's not worth it.

What distresses me is that if Y! thinks these pages (which are essentially my work) are good enough for so many number one positions, they might conceivably think that the real pages on my site, which have been continually updated for the last nine months, might be even better.

I sent this letter to Yahoo! through their search feedback form, but I don't think they send out individual replies.

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What to do next?

[edited by: DaveAtIFG at 5:14 pm (utc) on Aug. 28, 2004]
[edit reason] No personal correspondence please! [/edit]

diamondgrl

8:40 pm on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Another option is to go to their ISP. Some ISPs are responsible and will refuse to host any site engaging in any fraudulent behavior. I had a site in a foreign country suspended for stealing my logo. They got reinstated when they removed it from the site.

I wouldn't go in threatening a lawsuit against the ISP. However, make clear that you wanted the ISP to be aware of the potential legal liability it might be incurring by hosting a site violating your copyright. It is probably doing the same with others, in which case you can say that they are violating the copyrights of hundreds of other sites, or whatever it is.

ronin

9:08 pm on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well, I made an initial investigation last December and the company that copied my pages is hosting the site itself. As I say, I don't want to sue them, it's not worth it. The pages are shockingly bad visually (because the company did not copy my external css file), out of date by nine months and obviously have never been maintained.

But my issue here is not so much with the theft...

The issue is with Yahoo! which - it appears - thinks my work is good enough and relevant enough to be listed in lots of number one spots (and many more threes, fours and fives). And yet, the work of mine they are listing - quite apart from the fact that it's a stolen copy - is on a site where the text can barely be distinguished from the background colour (due to the missing CSS file) and where the (time-sensitive) information is horribly out of date.

Instead, they could have the same pages from my site, which are cleanly presented, pass usability standards (which I've been working very hard on over the last eight months) and are up to date.

Even if Yahoo! doesn't want to start indexing my site, why is it featuring such shockingly out-of-date and badly presented pages in number one positions?

I'm certain that Yahoo! would want to do something about this, not so much because there has been a theft - that's my problem, not Yahoo's - but more because the version of the information it is happy to list at number one is hugely inaccurate and the updated version is available on my site.

My problem is, having used the feedback form, how can I really get in touch with Yahoo! to talk to them?

[edited by: ronin at 9:20 pm (utc) on Aug. 28, 2004]

soapystar

9:14 pm on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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you highlight a very important point. Their current filters and reviews have little to do with content and more to do with SEO and there own view of what they like and dont like in website structure. This is why mods post about you might as well duplicate a banned site cause getting banned has little to do with content. Its the Yahoo way. As you say, this shows they actually like the content of sites they have banned.

ronin

12:14 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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they actually like the content of sites they have banned

Yes, apparently they do, but moreso it seems if the content is pilfered by another site, horribly displayed and out of date.

How can I get in touch with Yahoo! about this?

pageoneresults

12:44 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Copyright Infringement [docs.yahoo.com]

Yahoo! respects the intellectual property of others, and we ask our users to do the same. Yahoo! may, in appropriate circumstances and at its discretion, disable and/or terminate the accounts of users who may be infringing the intellectual property rights of others.

How can I have an offensive site/URL removed from your database? [help.yahoo.com]

To report a site appearing in search results that is in violation of our guidelines, please complete the Report Search Spam form.

[edited by: pageoneresults at 12:49 pm (utc) on Aug. 31, 2004]

creative craig

12:49 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It might be difficult to know if the webmaster is a Yahoo! member.

pageoneresults

12:50 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It might be difficult to know if the webmaster is a Yahoo! member.

My fault. I originally posted the wrong link. The links above have been updated to show the areas ronin should be focusing on.

ronin

1:34 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Many thanks guys - I appreciate the help.

soapystar

5:52 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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the point as to what exactly warrants a ban remains stark though. Its not content thats taking a lot of guys down. The twighlight zone anyone?

Lovejoy

6:33 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I wouldn't bother, I had yahoo hosting geocities sites that copied my complete site and used it to redirect traffic to the worst porn sites imagineable** I jumped through all the hoops, filled out all the forms, and called yahoo directly. A year later this is still going on and Yahoo has yet to give me any response.

** My page showed up when you clicked the geocities link, clicking the page source showed page after page of links to porn sites in the html.

ronin

11:21 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well it doesn't surprise me that it's difficult if not actually impossible to get to speak to someone about this kind of situation.

I just want to see some consistency here.

[After several months of trying...]

Me: Oh look, if your visitors aren't interested and you really don't want my niche content, that's up to you.
Yahoo: Right.
Me: Do you want my niche content?
Yahoo: Nope.
Me: Right then.
Yahoo: Dumdumdumdumdeedeedum.
Me: Right, I've improved my content even more. Do you want it?
Yahoo: Nope.
Me: Okay... go your own way then.
Yahoo: Okay, bye. Oh... before you go, alright if we have this?
Me: What's that?
Yahoo: Well... it's... heh... you would probably call it "your content", but you know, it looks like someone else stole it and put it on their site. It's out of date too. It's barely your content at all really. Alright if we stick this up in a couple of number one positions? We think it might be something our visitors are looking for.

soapystar

11:14 am on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ronin
lol!