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I think we'd better read that again and let it sink in. ;)
I don't have anything like it. However, my domain (.com) name has a commonly accepted derogatory term. The mega-firm it is directed against has bought the .net and .org versions long time ago to prevent others from starting sites like mine. Yahoo! sells its big-budget product and my guess is that it makes a few million dollars annually from their deal that includes hundreds of listing in it directory. Hey, it's a no-brainer, now I can see why my site should be penalized. ;)
Perhaps it is not the kinda sites I want to see when I am searching. Depending on the derogatory terms, I do not want my grandchildren finding it either.
So, really with the site you describe, is Yahoo doing you an injustice, or the surfer a favor?
Perhaps Yahoo thinks along the same lines, it is their index. They do have the right to control what content is in it.
Thumpcyc
I put on my site what I want people to see and act upon, You put on your site what you want people to see and act upon, Yahoo puts on their site what they want people to see and act upon.
I link to sites I think my traffic wants to see, You link to sites you think your traffic wants to see, Yahoo links to sites They think their traffic wants to see.
I would think that censorship is anyone, goverment or otherwise, being able to tell me, you, or Yahoo what to show surfers.
Just my point of view.
Thumpcyc
[edited by: thumpcyc at 3:39 pm (utc) on April 19, 2004]
counterintelligence achieved by banning or deleting any information of value to others
deleting parts of publications or correspondence
Legal or social practices aiming to bar the creation or dissemination of disapproved forms of artistic expression.
broadly, any restrictions on speech or writing;
The prevention of thoughts, feelings or actions from reaching consciousness
Not allowing certain information to be disseminated.
The practice of suppressing material
so say i had a site which i built up over the years got 247 backlinks in google, nice ranking for "city keyword" but i wanted to protect my url so register the .com .net and maybe a few other keyword loaded ones, then point them all at one site.
should Y! show all my urls or just one, answer we are all looking for "is which one should they show"
DaveN
I cannot argue with your definition, so that makes all of us guilty, you, me & Yahoo, in one instance or another. I can live with that. We censor what we wish, and so do they.
On topic, Don't Game or cheat, might get caught!
;-)
I do not know enough to do either, I just create pages to sell widget parts, and hope someone finds them, and does not notice that I censor the widget parts I would not use or trust on my widget.
Thumpcyc
Which site would you like your children to see - one that shows a widget going up to 160 *** - more than twice the legal limit - to attract your children, or the site that points you to Department of Widget site that shows how unsafe those widgets are, or how many people are complaining about this widget?
I link to, and are linked from sites that advertize and sell things to make widget riding safer, and they have reports of the laws on their widget hats for each state, and my children and grandchildren see them, as they should.
I sell the widget parts that will make widgets run WAY over 160mph, and use some of them myself, with my children, and grandchildren watching, but I do not make the 160mph, closer to 130mph, on my street widget, but it is done in only a quarter mile.
I link to, and am linked from sites where people discuss both the good and bad aspects of widgets, and their associated parts. My Children read them, (grandchildren are too young).
So, in answer to your question, the site I would want my children to see on this widget subject, is mine.
I choose who I link to/with, I base these decisions on the content of the sites, and the net neighborhoods they are in, and what they offer to my traffic. So do you, I, and everyone else, it is each of our own choices, no different with Yahoo.
Thumpcyc
If you can't argue with it, then I will.
Legal or social practices aiming to bar the creation or dissemination (e.g., the publication or public display) of disapproved forms of artistic expression.
When a government passes a law saying they will throw you in jail for the act of creating the content on your website, then you've become a victim of censorship.
When the Yahoo Delta Force kicks your door in and unplugs your servers while they hold you at gunpoint, in order to prevent you from disseminating the information on your website, then you've become a victim of censorship.
Anything short of that is simply other people excercising their rights to freely choose what type of content they wish to disseminate to their audience.
Freedom of speech gives you the right to write and say whatever you want. However, it doesn't give you the right to force others to provide you with an audience. That part is up to you.
So rather than sitting around whining about how Yahoo has somehow violated your rights by censoring you, why not spend your time working on building your audience?
So rather than sitting around whining about how Yahoo has somehow violated your rights by censoring you, why not spend your time working on building your audience?
with what? its been said before but yep, i'll say it again. When your toast your toast and they dont let you slip back in past a filter. I never actually said what you have quoted but i must say its become a theme for some to winge about the whinners when it comes to Yahoo. Funny how they started off by joining the whinning when it was their sites that bit the dust. Its noted that those that once joined the chorus remain strangely silent after reinclusion. But hey, if you want to winge about my whinning thats your right.
BTW if you read back the thread you will see i was backing up another member, i was not talking about my own site. Censorship was talked about because of the suggestion the site simply had information that Yahoo may not have wanted seen. I have no idea if thats the case or not but i said if it was then that was censorship.
Today I searched Internet as an user.
I needed an receipt.
The best result was number 1 from yahoo, better than google, but the rest in yahoo.......number 2 till number 7 at least, was diferents domain with duplicated pages and diferents titles. But the worst was that on clicking the url, an dialer was istalled in my pc without asking me.
Btw, I did report yahoo, though this is Real Spam.
It´s hard not being in seing these kind of stuff.
[edited by: helenp at 2:14 pm (utc) on April 22, 2004]
How marginal sites have come to be pulled and real spam flourishes. Makes no sense to me.
Yahoo have made very clear that as regards Site Match, it is good for good sites and bad for bad sites. In other words it is an invitation to be banned. If you are marginal do not go near it with a barge pole. Get the spider to pick you up and then you stay under the radar.
Any chance we could have a ban on all discussion of ethics in this forum - it is just a case of round and round in circles and at the end of the day most people are here to pick up tips on how to beat the system.
DaveN
doh!
I do not see his analysis of what Y does as complaining.
He simply points out the problems with Yahoo's current algo.
DaveN and % have a good gig going on which is great for them. No problem with that. Not all businesses can be run the way DaveN and % run their businesses.
There are other businesses who have justifiable complaints about Yahoo's search results.
Yahoo should pay closer attention to people who are critical of their search results. Yahoo's most valuable insights will come from critics rather than the people who simply say, change what you are doing to please Yahoo's new algo.
In fact, there are plenty of ideas on these forums that come from so-called whiners, that if taken seriously by Yahoo could be turned into profitable ideas.
That’s a very important point. Simply changing your site for extremely vague penalties can hurt you with other engines while you still remain penalized at Yahoo. At present there is little feedback as to whether sites are penalized or there are significant bugs at Yahoo. Plus when I see people state I spoke to so and so and my sites back in the legitimacy of the whole process comes into further question. This is especially true when I see no mention of what penalized the site to begin with but instead a lot of “lovelies” being dispensed. Yeah, anybody who puts your site back in whether penalized or not is probably a great guy to the recipient.
I have no problems with any methodologies people may use to overcome the penalties. When the rule makers don’t play by the rules and ignore you by all means you are under no obligation to play by the rules. Its what’s in your nature though. Personally I don’t believe there are a lot of quick fixes for people who at least tried to play by the rules. Create a new site for a specific business and they probably will penalize you for the past penalties.
