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My point is that if Yahoo is it's own completely NEW search engine then it should be completely NEW. If it's inktomi, then Inktomi PFI should stay in until the contract is up and if it's not Inktoi, then any penalties or bans in Inktomi casued by PFI should be completely dropped. It's not rocket science here. It just makes sense. You can't say that it's a new engine just so you can charge people again. IMHO you need to get rid of the PFI penalties applied to Inktomi PFI pages and then let the Yahoo algo take care of any spam that might be present.
Bottom line: It seems completely unfair to drop all PFI listings that came in through Inktomi, but still maintain the penalties assesed by Inktomi... especially when there are many sites that got hit with penalites when they didn't deserve them (the PFI penalty was an automated one, not a manual ban).
Post a few more clear do's and don'ts, and start automatically penalizing based on the severity, from one month ban to a year or so. Once you've done the time, you're back in the serps IF you cleaned up (the same Slurp! will be able to detect it). Of course provide a way to dispute this, for a fee.
Having a 4-5 years old penalized list will not help the SERPS that much. Sites get banned by mistake, we do stupid things and things change.
All that said, just the fact that Tim is listening and has offered to help is great.
In my case, we did nothing wrong and were unduly penalized. This was confirmed by Positiontech entire team and Inktomi editors. There must be hundreds, if not thousands of sites like mine that were hit with the Ink PFI penalization without doing anything wrong.
But let's say that a site actually did screw up and did something stupid (perhaps under the direction of a crooked SEO or whatever) without knowing, does that site deserve to be gone forever? What if they fix the problem, is there no mechanism in place for dealing with these issues? What if the domain name is sold and transfered to another owner? The penalty remains? That just doesn't make sense.
Test Domain 1
9 pages in Yahoo (down one in the past week) [2 pages Ink pfi]
104 not yet in Yahoo
Test Domain 2
15 pages in Yahoo [12 pages Ink pfi]
77 not yet in Yahoo
Both submitted via free submit March 4th
methinks the free addurl goes to the recycle bin. Thye probably just added it to be able to say "Look, you can get into Yahoo! for free!" :)
Another thing have they been in here promoting the quality and relevancy of the new Yahoo or are they here to sell this Site Match program?
If there was no promotional value there would be no participation.
What better way to launch a program than to go right to the people most likely to use it?
-s-
Yahoo's here to provide information and answers but we cannot expect them to participate in every discussion, answer every question, etc.
Instead of using this as "please Yahoo help me, answer me" it would be interesting to use this board to discuss techniques that can be used to maximize benefits from Yahoo's new platform.
You can't say that it's a new engine just so you can charge people again. You need to get rid of the PFI penalties applied to Inktomi PFI pages and then let the Yahoo algo take care of any spam that might be present.
Bottom line, Yahoo's engine isnt new.
Good luck. It's amazing that they picked Inktomi to start with and kept it's algo /banned list. We'll just have to wait and see if the promised appeal thing helps us. I am not optimistic, but let's hope I'm wrong. If they go through line line checking your site, no site will be accepted.
I'm obviously biased regarding my site, but I saw that yoga (mod's site) and Kanetrain's site. Absolutely nothing with any of them, yet they're banned. No matter what they might've done (IF anything) 2-3 years ago, their sites are perfectly clean now. I'll find something wrong even with cnn.com if I want to. This is 10X worst than a directory submission.
This is 10X worst than a directory submission. :)
You are so right, It makes dmoz look good.
Tempting to move the site to a new domain though with 7 years of work, and a name thats well known in the business, the risks are too high.
I heard Tim speak at SES and his comments sounded like Y considers their new pay program to be the way they are opening up communication and dealing with issues such as banned sites.
Seems like most people who complained about G and the changes were frustrated by positions. As you know, that doesnt compare to being nowhere in Y's results without a way to improve one's content to rank better.
Am I missing something to think that Y has blundered in their launch by angering so many webmasters right off the bat? Why wouldnt they start fresh and utilize their own "new" spam algorithm instead of relying on one that is stale?
Appears like Yahoo may be creating a major perception problem with the risks of participating in their paid inclusion program.
With their "new" search many people have concluded, correctly or incorrectly, that their websites have been excluded from the Yahoo results because they previously paid to be in Ink.
As a result, there is constant theme to discussions that If I Pay to be In, what happens when I stop paying. Many advise don't pay if you are in the natural results, because once you stop paying, you wont be in and may never get back in.
Time will tell as to how large this Yahoo blunder is.
Its challenging enough to obtain market dominance with any product, without having to deal with:
1) angry "customers" right up front.
2) customers who are wary about the true benefits of your product.
Yes thats one point they have been clear about.
However people form conclusions based on past actions, and the fact that so many webmasters have concluded that the reason they arent showing up in the Yahoo results is due to the fact that they paid Ink, in the past... means that they have developed a distrust for paying.
Im certain if webmasters asked Ink. when they first signed up whether there was a risk of sites being somehow penalized for having paid and then stopping the ad, the answer would have been no you wont be penalized.
Well, why should people trust what they are saying now.
I've seen about 30 complaining so far.
More importantly, people should be very careful about what they submit, if they submit. It is not just your page or site that could suffer a penalty if they feel it breaches their guidelines - but any sites that they feel may be part of your network!
Reasons for getting a penalty are many - but I have to say (apart from the Yahoo/Inktomi 301 problem) paying INK or failing to renew an INK subscription has never been one of them in my experience.
Back on the 4th when Tim informed WW that Yahoo had setup the free AddURL option, I had about 57 pages in the new Yahoo index.
I used the Yahoo AddURL option, and as of yesterday, Yahoo had added over 100 more pages from the site to the index.
Ink, on the otherhand, has gained no new pages in quite some time, and may have even lost some in the last month.
Thumpcyc
I do not have logging capabilities to the extent to know which bot touched which file and when. Sorry, have not had the need, nor the time yet to request the additional logging from my ISP, and allocate the time to get the software and learn how to analyze the logs. I suppose if I were to have some sort of problem, I would do so.
I made an assumption that submitting my site to Yahoo's AddURL is responsible for within less than two weeks tripling the number of pages from my site in Yahoo's Index. Either way, I cannot complain at all.
Thumpcyc
Test Domain 2
59 pages in Yahoo (up from 15 last week/pre-March 4) [12 pages Ink pfi]
39 not yet in Yahoo
Both submitted via free submit March 4th
This would help yahoo is build their database.
All the pages now indexed are linked to from the homepage submitted via free submit March 4th (no pages were previously in Yahoo except the one pfi page). Pages linked to from pages other than the home page are not yet indexed.
Test Domain 1
98 pages in Yahoo (up from 92 last week; 9 pre-March 4) [2 pages Ink pfi]
16 not yet in Yahoo
Test Domain 2
60 pages in Yahoo (up from 59 last week; 15 pre-March 4) [12 pages Ink pfi]
38 not yet in Yahoo
Test Domain 3
16 pages in Yahoo (same as pre-March4) [1 page Ink pfi]
76 not yet in Yahoo
All submitted via free submit March 4th
I added my url through the yahoo free service. I only added the primary domain. Should I add more pages off that domain or will it spider it anyway.
Should I add the site map.
Thanks Guys
