Site dropped

Site dropped from Yahoo

[Ellen]

For over 3 years my client's site was listed within the top ten his keyword. Now he's not listed at all.
What gives? How can I get it picked up without paying the Yahoo Express fee. Any explanations, reasons, suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

[roscoepico]

Ellen, Yahoo recently unveiled their new search engine. Check out this thread:

Yahoo New Index Live - Google Gone [webmasterworld.com]

[Tim]

Ellen
Yahoo will be launching a new search inclusion program soon. Yahoo Express only gets you a review for possible inclusion in the directory not the search results.

[Evergreen]

So if paying $300 does not get you listed in the search results, what is the point in paying it? I'm a little more than mifted that i paid my $300 in December and now find myself wondering WHY? My site is showing up in the search results, right along side of competitor sites that did not pay the $300, so at least I'm listed and doing ok, but why would I ever want to pay Yahoo another dime?

[walkman]

The same as Inktomi has? What about the site already indexed for free?
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Yahoo will be launching a new search inclusion program soon. Yahoo Express only gets you a review for possible inclusion in the directory not the search results.

[Tim]

It will be a new program. The sites that are crawled for free will remain in for free and new sites will be added for free. A very small portion of the index is paid. I am always surprised how many people think that it is a purely paid index.

[Abigail]

Tim, I have several hundred pages that have been in INK until just recently - don't know what the problem was to make them disappear, can't figure it out - I was in the search data base for almost 4 years as well as a number of pages in the MSN directory. I have since paid for almost 40 paid inclusions and they are indeed in the data base. I also have a number of pages in the Yahoo directory that the Yahoo team approved and put in over the last 4 years, free inclusion. I am getting spidered heavily, I am concerned that my pages may not be picked up for the Yahoo search data base - it is having a heavy, heavy impact on my traffic since the change over. Any advise?

[walkman]

Tim,
I understand, and it's fair game.
Will Y! Slurp still be seek new sites periodically to add for free though? I don't think tha paid version will be enough to keep up with the changes...

Also, how big will the index be more or less once it's out of beta (in terms of total pages)?

Not sure if my site (.com) is penalized or not (I had the .net indexed and .org indexed in ATW) but it would be nice to have like an appeal thingy, for a fee of course. Some sites deserve a lifetime ban, but many don't, especially if it was by accident or if the filters made a mistake. Hopefully my main site is eventually indexed since I disabled the .net and .org version. I don't see what else I could've done wrong.

thanks for your reply,

[Tim]

>>Of course we add pages every day for free in our fast crawl. We also go out and discover new documents for our main crawl on a regular basis. We could not be competitive without crawling as many sites as we can for free. I look at inclusion as a chance to get content we would not otherwise have in addition to our large free index.

Also, how big will the index be more or less once it's out of beta (in terms of total pages)?
>>We are not disclosing the size at this time.

Not sure if my site (.com) is penalized or not (I had the .net indexed and .org indexed in ATW) but it would be nice to have like an appeal thingy, for a fee of course.
>>I have discussed this before and maybe things may change this way.

[goin2travel]

Now this would be a huge improvement over Google

>>>>would be nice to have like an appeal thingy, for a fee of course.

>>I have discussed this before and maybe things may change this way.

Perhaps it opens up a can of worms for Yahoo. Though what better way to open up dialogues with potential customers and up sell them on services.

After they resolved the problem, assuming a site was placed back into the index... the site owner would be in such a good mood that it would be easy to sell
them additional advertising.

[walkman]

would paying to Ink now hurt my future chances of getting a free listing on Yahoo? Maybe they'll say he paid once, let him pay again. I can't pay $30 for each page.

My site has plenty of (legit) backlinks on sites already indexed.

[usavetele]

I have only 7 (out of 100+) pages of my site listed on Yahoo right now. About 2-3 months ago I changed my pages from .html to .shtml format. I am wondering why Yahoo hasn't picked up the new format and all the new pages I've added in the last few months?

Should I submit my site again? My index page is current, but the .html pages are months old. I haven't seen slurp in my logs for at least a week or more (from what I can remember). What do I do?

Thanks!

[walkman]

Look at it this way. Your're banned? For $299 or more we'll review it for and if you can prove that it's fixed, or that it was a mistake, we'll re-instate you. If not the $300 is still gone. Either way Y! wins, they get the money and a good site to their index. One Y! person can easily do at least an appeal an hour. Do the math.

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Though what better way to open up dialogues with potential customers and up sell them on services.

[Ellen]

Banned?! I don't think so. Got absolutely nothing going on with it that would warrant that. The keyword revelance is very pure stuff. Have none of the usual tricks involved. Dropped, yes. Banned, no way I accept that. Of course, part of the issue is that I took all the credit for being fabulous when it was in the top ten for all that time. Now that it's dropped, I gotta take the credit for that too.

Ellen

[GreenLeaf]

Hi Tim,
My site is (as i suppose) banned in Ink because it's absent in it's database (although i use only legitimate tactics and i have only one site).
So i'ts absent now in Yahoo but it IS in the Yahoo directory.
Is there any hope for me to be indexed by Yahoo!Slurp for free?
Thanks in advance.

[cabos]

GreenLeaf

Since my site has been dropped Im assuming its been banned.

I tried to go ahead and pay for a directory review of the site. Problem is its been in the Yahoo directory without ever paying the initial $299 and when I input the url.... it comes back with a message that your site is already in the Directory.

I thought your idea was good and was willing to "give" Yahoo $299 to revisit my site.... unfortunately it didnt work. (perhaps fortunately because my gut tells me that it would have cost me $300 for nada)

[webpro00801]

Abigail - "I have several hundred pages that have been in INK until just recently - don't know what the problem was to make them disappear, can't figure it out"

I had the same exact thing happen a couple of months ago. In the directory from back since the original AltaVista days - thousands of pages. Dropped and nothing... an answer by email to alltheweb was a canned response about spam. We have never sent a spam email in our life, our site it loved by Google, rated highest in it's category by Alexa, all real original and exclusive content, etc. Just can't figure it out and it is very frustrating...

[Ellen]

Well, just did a quick search for the heck of it and client's page is back in the top 10. Go figure. Someday maybe I'll understand how this all works, but for now, I have a happy client who wants his bill.

[cabos]

Ellen

That is excellent!

How did you do it ;)

My site isn't showing up in Y results.:(

[walkman]

I'm starting to think that there's no conspiracy or all that banning. Maybe just a new search engine?

[Abigail]

webpro00801,

Just exactly my story - I have good ranking and tons of pages in alltheweb and altavista and excellent ranking in Google (now that they found my site again, they misplaced it for 5 days last week - that's a whole other story) - I am getting bald ripping out my hair!

[cabos]

Thank G_d I dont have any hair left or I would have lost it.

[Abigail]

Anybody out there running sales page for "wigs" - the line forms to the right!

[walkman]

I just paid to have my site included on Ink. At least I'll find out if it has been banned for some reason.

[sachac]

My site had been doing well on ink for a long time then it was suddenly dropped. I did a PFI for my index page which is www.brandwidgets.com. When I do a search for brand widgets (I own the brand), I'm # 256 out of 1,400 results. The top sites are sites that link to me or sell my brand.

I'm certain my site has not been banned since it would have been placed last, at least according to the experts. Position Tech is no help whatsoever.

There are so many sites in the same position that I am certain there is a glitch in ink that causes sites to be arbitrarily dropped and which provides such screwy results.

I am equally certain that Yahoo will not use Ink results exclusively since this will be a very backward step.

[Sunset_Jim]

I posted this on a different thread, but I think it more appropriately belongs here.

>>I noticed that my traffic from Yahoo started dropping off last Tuesday (2/17/04)and by Wednesday (2/18/04) it was practically non existant. Before Tuesday my traffic from Yahoo was almost as much as from Google. Has anyone else observed this and can I expect traffic from Yahoo to pick up later?

>>Spica said: It sounds like you are not in the new Yahoo index. See:
[webmasterworld.com...]

I believe I am in the index because if I search for www.widgets.com I am presented with my site and if I search on widgets I am presented with back links to my site, yet if I search on any of my key phrases I'm no where to be found in the Yahoo SERPS. This smacks like the problem I had with Google during the Florida update. Sounds like a filter to me.

[Jazzy]

Pure and simple the stage is set to make more money by yahoo, and I challenge anyone to prove differently.
I have several different sites on two servers.
On one server all sites are in new yahoo. On the other server only 2 pages that I have paid the Ink inclusion fee are there. All the others were kept out, purposly not listed for free in lou of the comming charges.

Tell the main Yahoo bigshots this, It is good that you are now making the same Greedy mistakes as google. Good that your shares of the monopoly are now being broken. Surfers and webmasters are way more hand in hand then you and they see through all this greed.
The technology is not that great, many small engines that are gonna start out simple, honest and plain like you and Google WERE, will take lots.
Good job! Funny how big corporates get so outa touch with normal people.

[walkman]

Yahooooooooo! My site is finally included. Granted only a few pages for now but it's the thought that counts :)

I thougth I was banned or something. Don't give up hope guys, it's a new engine....

[cabos]

Jazzy -

I second that.

I have spent a bunch over the years with overture and on Yahoo properties including sponsored ads in the directory, plus paid urls through Ink.

The site I run is quality. With over 2,000 paying advertisers who have been customers for 6 years now, and unique content throughout the site.

The site though isnt showing up on Y searches. In fact it isnt even indexed.

I see no reason that the site shouldnt be in the search results. There are many top sites with links to it so its not likely to be missed by a spider. I keep thinking that it must be that Yahoo has identified sites that will spend $$$ on advertising.

Think of all the records that they have about sites on the web. Between Ink. Overture About and others.

The definitely have the ability to identify potentially good sites that spend money on advertising and keep them out of the search results.

[cabos]

Walkman...

Thats interesting. I just noticed my home page is now in their index. LOL what a joke though...it doesnt come up anywhere in results.