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do freelance designers need business license?

         

Gasolene

5:39 am on Nov 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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do freelance web designers need a business license?

I have a website that offers services and has portfolio, I don't have a company name.

jmbishop

7:34 am on Nov 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you are just doing the occasional freelance project then you can add any additional income on your tax form using a Schdule C.

However, consult with the IRS or an accountant. If you make a substantial amount you may be required to make quarterly tax payments and if you fail to do this you can be assessed a fine/charge.

Hawkgirl

3:38 am on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In the US I don't think you ever need a 'license' to do business, although as jmbishop said, you'll need to watch out for taxes.

If you get all of your income from being self-employed, there can be advantages to incorporating and 'starting a business' formally ... checking with an accountant or lawyer is a good idea.

Gasolene

3:59 am on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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thnx,

I'm actually from Canada but I assume the business laws are similar.

I am employeed full time for a web company, I just do an ocasional job on the side.

DaScribbler

9:35 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In the US, if you are self employed, and have no employees in which you pay, then your SSN is your Tax ID number for tax purposes for your business.

If however you employ paid workers, or have business partners, then you have to apply for a Tax ID number for your business.

jeremy goodrich

9:41 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In California, Oregon, or New York -> you don't need a business license to be a web designer working out of your own home ;) That ain't legal advice, though, and if you are in the USA, business law varies state to state, so best advice is consult an expert (lawyer, accountant, etc) or do the legal research yourself if you're cheap & enjoy being informed.

hcstudios

10:45 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Some cities in CA do actually charge $$s to legally run a business from your home (even it it's a freelance biz on the side). I know this because I paid $30 per year in Mountain View for a home-based biz and also paid $200 per year in San Jose for a few years before that for a biz with a location in San Jose.

It's my understanding that biz licenses can be city, county, or state implemented, and since everyone is hunting for funds these days don't assume that just because your state doesn't have a fee your city or county won't either. I've found the local Chamber of Commerce is usually a good resource for which fees apply -- the Mt View Chamber had a nice little folder you could buy for starting a business that contained all necessary forms and detailed which fees applied and where/how to pay.

Keep in mind that a business license is separate from registering your name as a legal entity -- if you're doing business as your name (Joe Smith) you don't need to register a dba (doing business as), but if you want to do business as WebMeister Services you need to register that name for it to be legal for you to do business. Names are usually registered with the county -- in Oregon they have a lovely little website where you can register the name in all Oregon counties at once, but in California back in 1995 I had to drive to each different county office (bleah).

I've had an EIN (employee ID) from the IRS since '93, and got it originally because of the crack-down on 1099 workers in the Silicon Valley was causing a lot of us to jump through some strange hoops to avoid looking like a part-time employee. But I like having an EIN instead of using my social -- I like the idea that I'm *not* giving out my social to a bunch of companies, especially since I have no control over who they might hire as a temp in their accounting/filing area.

Shane

12:01 am on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you run a company in Canada and work in a city or municipality then you should have a business license. If you don't you may be in violation of the city bylaws which usually means a fine. Phone the local business planning department to check it out.

Regards,
Shane

lorax

4:48 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There are other reasons for creating a corporation like protection from lawsuit. If a job goes south and the client decides to sue you - as an individual your personal assets can be lost. Under a corporate structure, it is the assets of the corporation that are in danger. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know all of the particulars - especially in Canada - but forming a some form of legal entity does offer you some measure of insulation from lawsuits.

dragonlady7

5:43 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm in the middle of establishing myself formally as a freelance writer-- been doing it a while, but want to go full-time. So I've been researching this and collecting advice.
I was told that incorporating will not necessarily shield you from lawsuits-- so if you're using that as an essential part of your liability protection, you had better research it well. There are sizable loopholes through which your personal assets could be seized. So watch it.
That said, I was told that I should definitely incorporate by several, while others told me they've been hugely successful for years and haven't ever felt the need to incorporate.
It's definitely optional. It's also something that varies by individual situation.
If it's holding you back, I did see that nobody was screwed over by not having incorporated immediately. So if you're unsure, certainly dive in and get started while you sort it out. Just, remember to get around to sorting it out.

I'm planning to incorporate once I'm making enough money for it to be worthwhile. (I'm also planning on distilling all my findings on the topic into a coherent article, but I can't promise a publication date so don't hold your breath. Sigh.)

What I was told was that a good, rock-solid, easy-to-understand, thorough contract will do more for protecting you than anything else. So that seems to be the most important thing of all.

too much information

6:01 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That's what I understand as well (about the contract) and we do not do any business unless we have full payment and a signed contract in hand. (not the same industry, but the same concept)

We bought a book online with tons of legal forms for our profession and along with what we found online we put some documents together that covered all of the things we needed it to cover.

The best thing we had was a client that was a lawyer. He proof read one of our documents and suggested a more simple wording. As he put it, "It doesn't need to be fancy, it just needs to clearly say what you intend."

lorax

6:11 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> I was told that incorporating will not necessarily shield you from lawsuits

True. I think in the US it largely depends upon the corporate structure you choose to use as to how exposed you leave yourself.

Gasolene

12:52 am on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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thnx,

I was under the impression that If a deal with a client went south, I would simply just not get paid.

what could a client sue for other than their money back?

lorax

3:08 am on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> what could a client sue for other than their money back?

If the order data was lost or the website was down and lost sales or a piece of code that wasn't tested thoroughly broght the webserver to it's knees or? they could easily point the finger at you and pursue lost revenues, damages, or "pain & suffering". Of course, having good contracts in place help to some degree. On the bright side - I do not know of anyone who has been litigated by a client. But then again... protect yourself.