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Our PFI program does *not* impact ranking and never has.
With all do respect...you can't be serious.
Of course, it would be a violation of law for Inktomi to do otherwise. They HAVE to say that. Especially now that the industry is under scrutiny.
However, I have no reason to think that Inktomi is lying on this issue. I unite with your sentiment. Given their behavior, I don't trust them either. :) And, in these recent threads involving Inktomi, there is pretty clear evidence that they are lying when they claim that, at least in the past, when you submitted a "PFI" page, your "free" pages were not removed.
So, I want to be careful not to imply that Inktomi wouldn't and isn't lying when it serves their interests. But, it is not clear to me that it serves their interests to give advantage to PFI pages. And, it is not clear to me that there is any evidence they have done so. Basically, at this point, I don't believe they are lying on this when they say that they do not give rank preference to PFI pages. Do you have any evidence or experience that says otherwise?
But I still would like to stress on the KEY difference between PageRank and PFI being that the "keeper/originator/maintainer" of pagerank is NEUTRAL and does not get benefitted monetarily by assigning different PRs ... Point in case, for some highly competitive keywords we do rank much higher than industry stalwarts who have much higher resources and money ... because we made an effort, developed quality content and sought relevant theme based links ... we did not pay a dime to Google to get the PR or positioning. Period.
Prior to this Ink update, we were ranked very low mostly due to PFI content and non-inclusion of our pages in Ink. With this update and inclusion/expansion of Ink core DB, it has been a different story!. That may be one indicator to me that Ink is going the way Google or should I say becoming RELEVANT (as they CANNOT afford not to be, perhaps)!. A welcoming change and a good business strategy for Ink IMHO.
Not yet.
Winning the game is about power. Money follows power. Take a good athlete, for one example. In the beginning it's just about playing a good game by the rules. Then they become famous and powerful. Then it becomes very much about money. The smart player, however, continues to work on their game so they can continue to be rich and famous.
There was a time when INK dominated. They had power and money. But they failed to work on their game. Of course, people started looking for a better player. They found one named Google. Google is very close to being famous and powerful. At some point they will take their turn to go for the money.
Now INK is trying to make a comeback. Show the world they can play the game again. The same old game they used to play. But they've lost too many fans and are carrying the baggage of a loser(AOL). They waited too long and let Google get too far ahead of them. INK is a classic example of shortsighted greed. When they were powerful and making money they should have worked on their game(technology) rather than real estate development. Now they're left with no power, no money, a weaker image, fewer followers, and a stale, outdated game.
And a new empty building bleeding them white.
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Sure, in a sense, paying for inclusion never affected your positioning...simply the time it took you to get in. As it turns out, the waiting period for inclusion was only about two years.
Change your name to GoLSGo, or GoOvertureGo
I'm Anti-PPCprograms :)
It seems that Inktomi have taken Googles algos and flipped them on their head just to try and prove something
Sorry but BIG THUMBS DOWN.
Traffic is WAY down from paid submissions - Inktomi won't be getting another penny from us until the numbers go back up from the paid pages.
If they don't go back up, then I suppose my only interest in Ink. will be to watch others stop PFI and the company's stock price plummeting further...to the point that this new update, that "rocks," is an entirely moot point.
Scenario #2: Yahoo! sweeps down out of the heavens and single-handedly saves Inktomi from ruin.
Same here. I'm looking at a tremendous drop in PFI traffic ... somewhere around 80% in the past few weeks, starting with Google's coupe over AOL.
Inktomi, most of us wanted to see fresh free pages indexed but this last update was extreme. Ink must have sucked in every spam page on the Net and then some.
I have a lot of pages that were submitted at $10 and will soon be up for renewal at $25. Not a chance now.
Looks like the last update was some kind of desperation move ... a willingness to trash the PFI program for a bigger fish? Some kind of an all or nothing play?
Any words of comfort, Inktomi, for the PFI friends that have been feeding Ink's coffers for the last year?
Site 1
Before update: 45 clicks per day
After: < 1 click per day
Site 2
Before: 60
After: 30
Site 3
Before: 15
After: < 3
lovely...
Did you check your rankung on HotBot and Msn?
Usually it takes a week to show on MSN and HotBot.
Sorry to go against the grain of some of my fellow webmasters, but I'm delighted with your program. So I say thanks, Inktomi ... a million thanks.
10 days ago Mayor posted the above. From his recent post, however, it sounds like the love affair is over.
Perhaps they are looking at a change in direction, which in my opinion has been definately needed.
I think its a case of watch this space.
So my Inktomi PFI budget is being tossed into production. See the rest of you folks in that department.
Clickety click, clickety clunk goes the drone of the keyboard to feed the ravenous appetite of gigapage data bases.
I would be happy to pay say $300/yr for up to 1000 pages indexed every 48 hours. And for smaller/larger sites you could adjust the price accordingly for whatever is fair.
I would be willing to pay Google the same thing, even though it is free for 30-day refresh.
And I hope PFI doesn't get lumped in with the FTC requirements --- I say this because it would encourage other PFI programs and reduce the incredible expense of PPC, So in that respect I hope you do get the Y! deal even though I love Google. :)
