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I wouldn’t hold your breath on getting in for free, try using the site search here there have been quite a few postings on getting in for free, my own personal opinion is nope :(
I've got a couple of paid pages for *part* of a site that's in BOW with several pages, but won't renew the paid this month because that sub-site will be moved to its own domain in a couple of months and now there can't be a transfer like there used to be.
It would be awful nice if they could be picked up to fill the gap in the meantime.
Another question is:
If I will submit site map (one page) using paid inclusion, what are the chances that Ink spider will take other pages through links and the pages will appear in Ink DB?
What is amazing is Ink's ability to dig down through even dynamic pages once it gets it into it's little robot head to do so.
But on free submit there seems to be no way to predict it.
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Secondly don't submit, they need quality sites more than we need the traffic, let them come and find you. imho
-meannate
I've thus far managed to get sites in for free by getting links, then submitting the links, then the site, then waiting... I was surprised recently when Inktomi apparently did a big crawl and indexed a bunch of subpages.
For some sites, though, I've been thinking about creating a few pages to play with, specifically for Ink. Does the above comment suggest that these pages will affect the whole domain regardless of the linking structure... or does it say that if I pay for the inclusion of a key page like the home page that I'll be messing up spidering of the rest of the site?
Not something I would do Robert, if you go the paid route grab a new domain and use that. If the "real" domain is a "good" one it will get listed anyhow.
> ...firstly if you have a "good" site, one that will gather many good links over time, then in no circumstances pay.......>
Does it mean that Inktomi is similar to Google in getting new sites?
How many good links do you need? Is it sufficient to be listed in directories like DMOZ, Yahoo, Looksmart?
Thank you for clarifying this.
Think about this.
How many sites are listed in the directories you mentioned and therefore effectively have 3 links? Lots.
Now, have a look at some of the sites in the Ink DB that would seem to be free entries that are in top positions and research how many links they have pointing to them, and pay partisular attention to where those links come from. (Hint - try some searches for sites that do not sell anything and they will probably be free listings)
What does that suggest?
When you have done that, think about the second part of NFFC's statement.
What does that suggest?
Put the two together and you have your answer.
Onya
Woz
First Goo is a complete different cluster of machines that may share data with any or all of the INK clusters. The end result is about the same as using HOTBOT's free submit. You may (but doubtful) get listed but you will only rank if there is nothing in the BOW or PAID in front of you. It appears INK checks each database until it finds something to serve up starting with the Paid and BOW pages.
Second - there is no evidence that INK is picking up anything that's not paid for. There is a lot of talk about linking here but the above is also true for linking.
If by some tiny chance that door was open, you can rest assured it won't be for long.
INK serves up about 600 million documents and so with each paid page there less room for the free/BOW pages.
Early in the ballgame is was not wise to buy pages on a site that had pages in the BOW - those issues have been corrected.
Finally my use of the term BOW (Best of the Web) is used lightly - it should be SIHITDWTDTCFI "Stuff INK Had In The Database When They Decided To Charge For Inclussion". A nice place to be if you had pages in a year or so ago...
-s-
Yes I agree with you one this stcrim, certainly from a commercial site point of view. A good point to clarify and I hope I didn't give any false hopes.
Can we say however that from a non-commercial site point of view that it is possible but not likely?
Onya
Woz
I started seeing unpaid stuff in paid domains about 6 months ago. I'm still seeing a steady stream of it now. I don't know what good it does though...the web is in a phase of "only the big guys who can pay ridiculous bids at GoTo get to be on top" funk right now. I don't think it will last that way though. So I'm thinking any page in a database that ranks well is gonna be a good page in the future.
Not my experience, not by a long way. If you are prepared to wait and the site has some quality links then there is no need to pay. One thing is for sure though, if you do pay you get listed a lot quicker! :)
My stratagy is simple, dont pay for a good site. If you really cant afford to wait, then set up another domain, pay for one page and load it with every keyword you can think of. This will buy the time needed to get the good domain listed, you can then use the paid page to play with some other keywords.
Those 6 are pure doorways that have many pages in the INK/BOW. And I have one site with 6 or 7 "paid" pages on it.
So, we are looking at 54 sites across 5 servers (only a few are on the same machines) all well linked to themselves and with a network of "same catagory" sites.
Not a single page has been picked up by INK. I also have a friend who has many sites in the same "kw catagory" And he too has not seen a single page picked up. Plus there is a local web developer with 300 plus sites in a web community (local businesses) and they have not had a single page picked up by INK.
Any thoughts???
-s-
In one word, DMOZ.
I've found the "Cheshire Cat" grin works the best. Best I can tell the pages getting picked up are ones I submitted to Hotbot months ago.
I can't say that has much to do with getting in free...I don't bother with DMOZ anymore.
>>>The end result is about the same as using HOTBOT's free submit.
>>>You may (but doubtful) get listed but you will only rank if there is nothing in the BOW or PAID in front of you.
Added: You will only rank if no one is looking for what you're got - in other words unpopular kws or kps.
If the free submit pages had a snowball's prayer in hell of ranking this was be a valuable resource.
Ever wonder why INK picks the one engine that delivers almost no traffic to keep the free submit open? There's certainly no value to a webmaster there (other than it feels good to submit something now and then)
Any wild guesses why INK would keep a completely useless service on a very low traffic search engine???
-s-
>You may (but doubtful) get listed but you will only rank if there is nothing in the BOW or PAID in front of you
Thats the whole point, the domains are in BOW and rank on some killer terms. I've said it before, decide which dB you want to be in [paid, BOW or free submit] and act accordingly.
