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I also have other sites that I SEO`d the exact same way and they are all fine and still ranking on Page 1 in msn.com?
If anyone had similar problems and have since fixed them please sticky me or reply to this thread.
Thanx
Afterburner
anyone knows why?
The site has a 301 redirect, static IP. Is MSN having problems with 301's? Any ideas?
My site was ranking great until I added 301's to try to help Google sort out their mess (Cannonical probs and old 302 hijack issues). Now in MSN for example.com/ no results are found, take of the slash and its always 1 page... that page changes but its always a page that should be redirected.
ie. oldpage.html 301 -> newpage.php
oldpage.html will be the only page listed from my site. The cache shows:
Moved Permanently
The document has moved here.
Apache/1.3.33 Server at example.com Port 80
I've tested the redirect in quite a few ways, everything looks fine. These redirects have been in place for around 6 months, msnbot is still spidering as frantic as usual and looks like it goes through the 301 just fine.
I tested at one point using robots.txt to block oldpage1.html, the only difference was that MSN quickly changed what page is coming up for example.com
Google is still having a ton of issues so I'm afraid to remove the 301's in case they will help G. eventually.
Anyone else see anything like this?
We had a great first 8 days of April then on the 9th 90% of our pages were dropped. Then 3 days later the rest were dropped from the index too.
MSN still recognizes all of my inbound links but I have completely dissapeared from the index. It has been over two weeks. I don't have any redirects and it is good clean code. It doesn't make any sense.
Let me know what you guys find.
My 100 or so other pages continue to drive some traffic, but more like page 2 to page 4 results than the overall #1 rankings I usually get. Makes no sense. I almost wonder if my service happened to be down for a few seconds when they showed up to reindex and thus left me out until a revisit?
Patience is a virtue, I guess.
jbgmotd
MSN spiders a lot and if your site or a particular page was down that may be why you were dropped till the next crawl.
Same happened to my site <snip>
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Being #1 on MSN, are you getting a lots of hits?
... and by the way my home page returned today. Not yet seeing the #1 overall ranking again, but first or second page right most important searches. I hope a full recovery comes soon...
jbgmotd
Do you give yourself any credit for this? Have you made any changes ever since your home page dropped?
jbgmotd
Now I can get back to servicing clients rather than thinking about search engines, as I again have two search engine friends. Now as for that Google... that ridiculous search engine lists directories or crap for every first page search listing - not a single individual Realtor is listed. Surely they can do better. If I'm looking for a referral realtor in Kansas City and I type in "Kansas City Realtors" finding a directory just means I have to start my search over, right? Sorry, I guess I should post that in the "Google" forum.
Two other things before I go... (1) I forgot to mention that I did resubmit my home page to MSN after it dissapeared. I doubt this did any good whatsoever, but thought I'd point it out just in case. (2) in the last 2-3 days MSN has updated the backlinks it shows to each site - I dropped from about 2,000 to 1,600. I ran my check on my competition and they all also dropped proportionately (sp?) so I guess that's just normal adjustments after an update?
Good luck to all in the search engine rat race. But hey, if I can become #1 on MSN in just a few months anyone can do it. I knew nothing about search engines six months ago.
jbgmotd
I'll sit back and see what happens. My home page looks like it's actually back but way down from where it was before.
I think MSN is the a bit volatile at the moment. It's a good thing sometimes, and it's a bad thing when your front page just disappears.
[edited by: kanetrain at 8:50 pm (utc) on May 20, 2006]
1. www.mysite.com
2. www.mysite.com/index.htm
I've never seen this on msn and it's consitent with a dupe content penalty or something. Apparently they are having trouble telling that those are the same page...in fact, they are the same thing entirely.
wow.
I will say this is a small glitch compared to googles troubles and just wait a few days and the index page will be back im sure things goes a little farster at MSN I think.
Happens on Yahoo! too from time to time!
Being a professional programmer i don't believe in glitches. It is either a bug (too noticeable and going on for too long) or the behavior is by design. Don't underestimate Microsoft's developers. I tent to think the homepage dropping behavior is by design.
So there's no way an error could have occurred during a crawl which won't be rectified until the next crawl?
I think it has something to do with that some sites got a domain.com page and a domain.com/index.htm page, but I think a SE should be able to pig domain.com as the main page, also this seems to take a little longer this time, before it took 1-2 day, but now its has almost been a week. ):
I never link to two versions of the home page and have still had home pages disappear on occasions.
They always re-appear within a short timescale.
I'm sure they probably 'lose' the odd inner page too, however this is more difficult to spot.
So there's no way an error could have occurred during a crawl which won't be rectified until the next crawl?
Yes, when an error occurs during page retrieval you get penalized. Especially if your web server manages to deliver just a portion of the page.
Another way to induce a home page drop out is to substantially change page title and/or H1 tag. Also i believe that number of other "activities" cause page drop out effect. One is crosslinking.
It would be really nice if google datacenter watch people (Reseller and Co.) could apply their energy and perseverance into analyzing MSN instead.
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