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I would have posted this in the Oct. 23 update thread - but this isn't the minor shuffle that occured a week or so ago - I'm seeing a whole new set of serps.
The problem that I have is that we have seen a massive down in SERP on MSN since July. The other to main SES have gone the opposite direction, luckily.
My question is what are MSN up to. Why am I seeing great improvements on Google, Yahoo and even ASK but not on MSN. I know I shouldn't be greedy but why the drop on MSN?
Anyone got any ideas of what may have caused this. What changes have happenend since the summer?
lloyd - join the club. We've experienced 20% + increase since August in Ask, Y! and Google. But are nowhere to be found in MSN - even for our own unique domain name. And with 1,200 pages of content, it's pretty hard to believe we can't rank for something in MSN.
[edited by: BillyS at 3:27 pm (utc) on Nov. 3, 2006]
It seemed strange because we've steadily improved on Google and Yahoo for the last few months.
I'll be checking tonight to see if our listing has improved with this possible update.
I had a quick look at the .co.uk results, but they look like the same bizarre stuff as before.
My feeling is that keyword in the domain should have NO weight in ranking.
9 times out of 10 its a crap directory (ad) site using a www.keyword-keyword.com domain. Real sites with real content, products and services don't use these kind of domains, so if anything it should have a negative weight.
Just my 2 cents for MSN Dude.
So we penalize the sites that were able to get the keyword in their subdomain 3 years ago when it was possible?
Not a very good solution to me...
I did notice a shift both last month, I guess on the 23rd and then another early this morning. One of our sites popped to #2 last month and then got to #1, all without any rhyme or reason.
I would agree that the SERPS look better when my site is on the top of them, other then that it looks like they are still "spammy".
penalize the sites that were able to get the keyword in their subdomain 3 years ago when it was possible
I don't think anyone is suggesting that they be 'penalized', but rather not rewarded simply because they have the keywords stuffed into the domain/url.
In one of my sectors it looks like blogspot.com is still an authority :P
Yep. Thought it was changing, but it hasn't.
This I completely agree on and it seems to me not a tough one to fix as there are several ways to keep this from becoming A "REWARD"
I assume stuffed means multiple times.
greater emphasis on KW usage in title and URL
Yes and repeated keywords in the title seem to be rewarded. I'd rewrite my home page title with it's top keyword repeated 2 or 3 times but it would mess me up with Google who has me #3 on the word right now.
(added) Good Grief! some in the top 20 have the key word repeated 4 times. Really spammy looking. My page used to be in the top 10 and is now at 40. I may have hurt myself by changing my title to only have the keyword once instead of twice. But than maybe it helped in Google as I just popped up from 4th to 3rd. Can't make them all happy I guess.
I'm all for authority sites ranking, if they can truly be considered authorities -- my fear is that in an attempt to promote authority sites, MSN has in effect pushed false authorities higher (blog engines notably).
If I were a betting man, I'd say we could probably expect a part II type of shakeup in the next few weeks.
Massive improvement, for multiple word searches at least. Single word is still not good.
One very troubling problem though seems to be gaping holes in the index. When I search for a term that a page of mine basically has to be #1 for, not only isn't it #1 but it isn't ranked at all, with my site map and another page that just list the title of the page as a link appearing as the top results. The troubling part is the page that should rank is indexed. I can force it to show via quoting a long bit of text, but it never ranks above pages on my own domain it has no business losing to. I've seen this phenomenon for three pages so far.
Key problems still keyword in the subdomain is viewed as gold, blogspot is still loved, sensless showing of multiple results from the same domain shown via subdomains, and for reasons unknown to me MSN continues to virtually ignore page title in its rankings.
</long time coming>
Two years and counting, MSN finally unveils a beta searc engine. Great news. Now lets look forward to seeing it improve.