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I would have posted this in the Oct. 23 update thread - but this isn't the minor shuffle that occured a week or so ago - I'm seeing a whole new set of serps.
Gawd help us - i think that just about says it all!
As for 3D mapping, give us a break. MSN please Focus your efforts on search and nothing else. Try and get search right before dabling in new areas.
Jack of all trades...... comes to mind
Rich
I think that was meant as a joke.
I heard that when closing on the deadline for windows Vista, Microsoft needs to run its servers at full capacity to compile the code and re-test the latest build the next day.
Maybe that's why they turned MSN into a $99 meta search engine script for a while?
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Yes very much so.
>>Is anyone still seeing blogspot dominance?Yes very much so.
Yes, I can testify that it's still very much there in some areas, which makes me wonder whether MSN has adjusted its algo or whether it's been doing hand jobs to do what cleaning it's done.
The search team have been busy doing hand jobs rather than being focused on improving the algo.
Thought as much!
The search team have been busy doing hand jobs rather than being focused on improving the algo.
RichTC - Just for the record, there's a big leap from what I said to what you said, and it's not what I intended to suggest.
For now I am still upset, even it it's not much traffic it's better than nothing, but I am an impatient person I will just stop posting about msn soon. My guess is that users will stop using msn, users have even less patience than I do. Those would still can't type anything in their browser have msn as homepage, one day when they learn how to type they might find google...
It was a "freudian slip" and i couldnt help highlight it in view how dire the msn serps are! - i fully realise that wasnt what you ment.
greg,
I dont think there is anything else that can be added. For whatever reason the msn search team must think these serps represent something thats of use, so until it hits home that the msn serps are a load of junk i fear its going to be like this for some time.
The other issue is that because the market share that msn have is so small it not likely to attract media interest that they cant produce quality serps - not many people are interested.
In terms of quality i find it amazing how bad the serps are, in view of all the statements by msn about how great they think the serps are - this is a worry.
I dont think anything else can be added - the weakness has been fully outlined all over these threads. Perhaps another new thread should be started "The reasons why live search is so poor" where we just list again all the faults in the hope they take notice. Other than that, i dont see what else we can do.
"You can take the horse to water, but you cant make it drink"
Rich
[latam.msn.com...]
very good results the past 6 months, us search in the dumps.
Yeah, for some reason there is a penalty against some sites in the US that does not show up elsewhere.
That seems strange, or the Latin Maerican algo hasn't updated and followed the UK/US algo, which is where some of my sites tanked in July.
Well in the meantime, the US version of our brand is still nowhere to be found for its unique domain name. The code and site structure are similar on both sites, only the domain and content are different.
If I do what they ask, that is url:www.domain.com then the site would not show up at all. So if I understood correctly, setup a nice website people like to visit then MSN penalizes you!
Maybe we should just set up a free blog stuff? I am sure we would come up #1 for a lot of keywords wihtin a week or so. Or maybe a doorway page would work fine as well. Or maybe seting up 1000's backlinks from blogs and other totally unrelated sites since MSN is unable to differenciate USA today from a low end p.rn website anyway.
for the records here are the search results and bot activity from awstats this month:
Referals:
Google 7836 7958
Yahoo 1454 1454
MSN 5 5 (that was me on page 100+ trying to find the site I guess)
Bots
Googlebot 1633+12 23.54 MB 14 Nov 2006
Inktomi Slurp 802+358 14.51 MB 14 Nov 2006
MSNBot 48+33 2.26 MB 13 Nov 2006
Oh well ok Mr MSN that's just an example and not everyone suffers from the same issues.
I say Ok, but still I have found numerous sites that seem to suffer form the same issue.
Now if you can't even crawl a website right then your index will always be screwed.
Then when you file patents about anti spam algorithms, then people expect clean results.
Then when you say that MSN will be close to Google in quality soon (that was 1 year ago) or when the big boss says "I will kill google" then WE ALL expect something to happen.
Yet again nothing really good happened, there are no improvements, on the contrary I personally feel like MSN now is worst than MSN beta 2 years ago.
I am not saying all is wrong but I know meta search engines that can do at least as good.(..as bad)
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Must be the Mandrake cooker? lol
Hey, does anybody see major differences in the results between www.live.com and www.msn.com? It has just come to my attention that although they are supposed to be merging, results are drastically different.
Me personally I'll take live.com and day over msn right now.
Best,
russell
1) We didnt change anything our site for the past 3 months
2) We have been building steady links for our site.
So seems like its a filter which has put our sites out of the index.
1) Do you all do link exchanges of any sort?
We do a little bit of 2 way and 3 way link exchanges
2) How often you update your content
once in 2 months
3) How many links are you building a month?
About 140
4) Does your website has more than 1000 pages?
Nope
Lets see if there is any similarity and if it is then we know what to fix.
Deepak
Mentioned this before but worth pointing out:-
Have you lots of original content?
Have you got lots of inbound links?
Is your site over 1000 pages?
Is your site an authority in its sector?
Are scraper sites using some of your content?
If you have answered yes to any or all of these, then what do you expect? - your site is destined to be filtered out of the msn serps.
Best policy if you want some trafic from msn and rank at the top of the pile is to knock yourself a blog together, or a 5-10 page thin content site that points to your main site (best to do this in as fast a time as possible, after about five pints of beer is good, the last thing you want here is a quality resource "remember less is more".
Next, whatever you do dont put to many links on a page to related content or go into any detail about the keywords - kiss of death
Next, make sure the domain name includes the prime keywords in it keyword-today-keyword.com is good and cant fail - no matter what you do. This is vital to ranking well in msn
Then get some backlinks to it from any old site doesnt matter, a load of blogg sites, some paid for links anything.
Give it about five days and your junk site will be king of the serps with all of the other junk next to it.
In the future when the msn search team decide they truely want to offer some quailty serps and ditch the current algo then your junk site may vanish but your quality authority site may come back into the msn serps and start ranking where it should be - we can all live in hope!
As for your own sub 1000 page site, in all honesty it was just a matter of time. The learning algo thats gone wrong will keep going and removing more and more quality content with every update. Hence why 80% of the top serps are all blog site junk. Within a few more updates they will need to change the name "Live Search" to "blog & Junk Search"
Its a total waste of what could have been a great alternative.
Rich
I feel that MSN needs to develop relationship with SEO people because we can give them our feedbacks on their search results. I think google has been doing this from day 1.
Now my problem is still the same. What to do with a good content site with good links coming to it.
We were ranking in top 10 for our top keywords now no where, and we havent done anything different from what we were doing 2 months ago.
MSNdude if you are there and reading then any rely will be appreciated.
Anyone has any other feedback on the new MSN results and why it effected a lot of our sites.
Can we find any similarity between our sites?
…we haven’t done anything different from what we were doing 2 months ago.
Lately MSN is actively punishing sites for things that it used to love. I think MSN search team is desperate and hence resorts to extreme measures to combat spam.
I have registered a "keyworded" domain for MSN only but am hesitant to put any significant effort in promoting it since they may change their mind again in two-month time.
I wish we can have same thing here for MSN results also. MSNdude participation will be helpful to jump start this discussion.
Any senior member wants to take a shot at the new MSN results?
We all know the result not good for few people and msn like keyword stuffing in domain. But lets discuss something concrete here which is different than already being disucssed.
Lets not blame MSN becuase that wont help anyone.
I think the best way is to first collect data for the sites affected. Then find if we are all facing one common problem.
anyone with me on this?
1) Medium site with more than 300 pages
2) Original content - refresh the content every 2 months
3) Steady build up of links
4) we do few link exchanges (mostly 3 way)
I can't confirm that it is an "update" but maybe a step in the right direction.
On my end...well it is stupid but I think that our bands have been filtered out...still no obvious reason. And even if our sites were not as good as I think(I think they are) it doesn't make any sense that REAL sites get filtered while spam is not.
Until MSN gets a real handle on how to evaluate page and link value/ authority/ weight/ trust... whatever you want call it... this is going to keep on happening.
