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4:39 pm on Sep 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

All of sudden I lost all my ranking. My website was number 1 with a lot many keywords. We still have very good ranking in Google and yahoo. Our website is authority site in the industry. Many of MFA websites and affiliate websites got rankings from the text they copied from us. Anyone else noticing the same thing?

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8:11 pm on Sept 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Any Clue,
What’s going with MSN? Is this something similar to index page drop issue.
9:15 pm on Sept 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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What do you see when you do a site: command? Is your home page buried below second or third level pages with older cache dates?

When you do a linkdomain: command do your own URLs appear way below others?

Do you still rank for the company name or unique title the way you used to?

If the answers are Yes, Yes, and No then welcome to the MSN spam filter victims club!

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9:48 pm on Sept 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Addendum to the above

Go to [live.com ] and change your region to UK or some other country and see if you still rank there.

I believe the filter is not as aggressive for countries other then US.

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Hi Shurik,

Sounds like you are right. Thank for reply Shurik. My problem is same as BillyS problem. How can I fix this? MSNdude please let me know what step I can take. My website is not a spam site. I have very good ranking in both Google and yahoo. How should I explain this to my client?

I appreciate your help

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I lost all of mine too. Very established research content site, used to receive about 1000 visitors per day from MSN now, only 80-90 a day.
10:47 am on Sept 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I see in my stats that the SHARP drop started on Sept. 14 from 824 visitors the previous day and 119 on Sept. 14. It became 34 visitors from MSN on Sept 16.

Is this reasonable for a site with 7500 research articles and PR 6?

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erku see the tread about msn/live not passing the referer string
8:40 pm on Sept 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thank you will look, what's the problem?
11:44 pm on Sept 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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MSNdude,

Could you please suggest us what we should do? My internal pages are ranking before homepage. This looks like a spam filter. I am pretty sure this is not because of our mistake.

You were very cooperative all the time. I hope the same from you this time.

Thanks

[edited by: Mbwto at 11:47 pm (utc) on Sep. 20, 2006]

7:13 pm on Sept 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Seeing the same thing....wondering why?

One thing I noticed when I check my back links is a lot of pages that redirect to my homepage with the followign type of code:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<TITLE>302 Found</TITLE>
</HEAD><BODY>
<H1>Found</H1>
The document has moved <A HREF="http://www.mysite.com/">here</A>.<P>

<P>Additionally, a 302 Found
error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
</BODY></HTML>

7:38 pm on Sept 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Did some poking around and noticed about half of the sites we manage affected by these issues.

Give us some sort of update MSNDude!

10:27 pm on Sept 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Textex, IMHO what you are seeing is not the cause but the effect of the penalty. Your site(s) is too weak and therefore gets easily outranked by all the junk that mentions your search term.

I had a privilege of receiving a reply from MSNdude who personally examined my sites. He acknowledged the problem but didn't offer any immediate solution.

11:10 am on Sept 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Sites are not weak.

A few of the sites are over 5 years old.

These strange links I am seeing are on i.e. page twenty out of 50 pages of link results.

I was just making an observation as to what may be the cause.

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I noticed a big drop in traffic a few days back all of that has returned now - very odd
6:14 pm on Sept 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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What Now? Will this be just wait and watch game?
9:21 am on Sept 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Read ALL of thread "MSN Algo Having Problems"

Spam Filter is in place.
Suggest using LOW KW density in Description and page body.
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9:03 pm on Sept 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I agree. The "spam filter" that has affected so many sites is so ridiculous that it takes making a page practically irrelevant in order to rank.

I think they'll have to ammend this at some point because the search results are quite bad at the moment especially in the UK.

10:04 pm on Sept 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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yes but it looks like msn dont think the results in the UK are poor hence why nothing is being done about it! - this is the problem.

I think the results were far more relevent at the launch of search than they are now, the spam filtering went wrong a good while back and with each update the relevency gets weaker.

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I am also noticing that inner pages have more recent cache dates than the index pages.
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My KW density was already low. I have good rankings in Yahoo and Google. There should me something else that is effecting the site

[edited by: Mbwto at 12:20 am (utc) on Sep. 26, 2006]

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In my case the loss of rank has nothing to do with the KW density. Look into your IBLs. I think the difference between Google and MSN is that Google ignores low quality links and MSN actively punishes for having them. I think MSN tracks the ratio of bad links vs. good ones. Once you exceed certain percentage they flip the switch on you.

I may have a fair amount of crappy links pointing to my site. In my case the penalty simply pushes my site to the third page no matter how easy the keyword is.

Dear Msndude,
Please flip the switch back on my sites.
If you do, i will move all my ad campaigns from AdWords to AdCenter.

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Hi, i agree with Shurik.

my site is totally gone from the first 50 -200 pages. i notice one of my Competitors that have copy my site totally he have no contents only google adds and hidding keywords stuffing and a fuew back links. i have also google adds and some relevant content and alot of back links from AddWeb Website Promoter. any way he is on the first page and his keyword density on a word is like 22% and my 8%.

i also like to know what is going on here?

Regards.

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I have some strong back links. If some bad quality website is linking me then that is not in my hand.

If that is true, then getting rid of competitors will be very easy for some. Just add a link to your competitor website on bad quality websites.

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I also lost the my ranking for even the never searched lengthiest keyword

“Blue Widget get 10% off from Mycompanyname”

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Mbwto, how do you know that your links are strong? May be in the eyes of MSN they are crap.

If that is true, then getting rid of competitors will be very easy…

And who said that it is not?
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90% of the pages for one of our sites has been lost by MSN. We used to have a few thousand pages indexed by MSN, now we've got a hundred. Anyone else having this problem?
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What do you see when you do a site: command? Is your home page buried below second or third level pages with older cache dates?

When you do a linkdomain: command do your own URLs appear way below others?

Do you still rank for the company name or unique title the way you used to?

If the answers are Yes, Yes, and No then welcome to the MSN spam filter victims club!

I have a problem with my index page. I followed Shurik steps above and the result is:

1. site: command , index page is on 3rd level , but cache is NOT older that 3-5 days and index page is updated in this time frame.
2. linkdomain: my site appears way bellow others
3. My subpages rank for unique title, but not index page

When I search for KW in live.com I found my subpages but no index page. Before June my index page was ranked in top3-5 for month's.

Do you think that my index page is filtered by spam filter?

markus

12:49 pm on Sept 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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All the people here saying that their rankings have drastically dropped in MSN recently, I have one questiuon:

Has the number of pages indexed by MSN of your site that was negatively affected also dropped drastically?

The reason I ask is that is what has happened to one site of ours, and maybe this could be a clue.

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Has the number of pages indexed by MSN of your site that was negatively affected also dropped drastically?

I'm not sure the number reported by site: is something to go on.

I have one client site that has around 1500 pages, MSN says it sees 468.

I have another client site that has around 70 pages, MSN reports it as having 238 pages.

One of my personal sites has just over 500 pages, and MSN reports it as 1970 pages.

None of these sites is ranking as well as it was a couple of months ago; one has severely tanked in MSN (ironically at the same time it's risen quite high in Google and Yahoo)

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