I've made a centred fixed width page using a combination of tables and css and have created a nav box to appear on the left of the fixed width area using a relatively positioned div with a negative left value, therefore the main body is always centred and the nav box will be aligned to the left of this... the only problem is the gap left by the relative div, how do I get rid of this without resorting to ludicrously overwritten style sheets (which defeats the purpose of using them in the first place)