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HomeSite 5

Is it worth the upgrade?

         

joshie76

11:56 am on Mar 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm using HomeSite 4.5.2 at the moment and I love it - I'm in two minds as to whether to fork out the extra doolah for the upgrade to 5. I checked the new features list and nothing really grabbed me. Have you done it? What are the deal-maker improvements?

tedster

1:18 pm on Mar 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I just forked over the money one hour ago - but I bought the CD, not the download. Let you know in a few days.

Of course I'm upgrading from 3.01 :) so I'm sure I'll see some value!

papabaer

2:10 pm on Mar 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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In my opion, yes: it is worth the upgrade. I moved up a few weeks back after hemming and hawing for a few months.

Homesite 4.52 has served me very well and I was bustin' down page after page with it. But after working with v.5 these last few weeks, it has got me hooked with the refinements and extras.

First XHTML handling is complete. I was getting just a little annoyed at 4.52 whenever I "closed" an "open" break or horizontal rule only to have HS toss me a warning message.

The thumbnail viewer is very handy as are the extra site management tabs. Homesite's tag editors have been refined as well, overall this is still the best editor I have ever used. And to think, I when I first got Dreamweaver a few years back, I actually thought Homesite was just a "throw-in" and barely gave it a nod. Now I have to remember how to even use Dreamweaver... but come to think of it, I don't.

Tedster... you are in for a treat! ;)

tedster

2:20 pm on Mar 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>> I actually thought Homesite was just a "throw-in" and barely gave it a nod. Now I have to remember how to even use Dreamweaver

Ditto. I want too much control over my code to use DW - I uninstalled it in about 6 months. But Homesite is like my right arm. I've even configured Opera to open Homesite for "View Source"

papabaer

2:48 pm on Mar 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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LOL!!! Same here! Ain't life GRAND!

Homesite is why I find it so very easy to write my CSS directly to my page as I "build." I move it upstairs when I am done... The control is always there.

joshie76

3:12 pm on Mar 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Writing client-script in homesite is a joy too.. facilitated by the browser preview window you can make a change, check, make a change, check.... great.

OK, I think I'll order it. This is probably one of those posts were Brett is frantically checking that we don't work for Macromedia :)

AlbinoRhyno

4:40 pm on Mar 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't know if it's worth the upgrade, unless you are working on xhtml sites right now. Anyone know when Homesite 6 (5.5?) is coming out? I would figure that they would be coming out with a new one soon to tie in with Flash MX...

papabaer

5:04 pm on Mar 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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HS5 wasn't released that long ago, and I am not sure how or why there would need to be Flash MX intergration to begin with. For my part, I see the Homesite and Flash MX at the opposite ends of the Macromedia family tree. It's been a while since I've used my DW but even longer since I've used my copy of Flash.

What is really refreshing, is that we are finally at a point where every other site is not some "wack" flash fiasco. For the time being, it appears that the majority of Flash creations are being used for optional presentations, or animated story boards. I can live with those because I do not have to be bothered with them if I so choose.

EliteWeb

5:20 pm on Mar 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Still with 4.5 havnt seen anything moving about 5+ yet ;)

joshie76

7:46 am on May 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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So Tedster, how're you finding Version 5?

mikegram

2:04 pm on May 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I like the HomeSite 4.5 too, but my biggest complaint is that it's a resources hog. Is HS 5 better or worse with this?

tedster

3:50 pm on May 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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V.5 is great - but I upgraded from 3 so I can't really speak to people wondering if the v.4 to v.5 move is worthwhile.

I love the integration with my other favorite tools -- TopStyle, HTML Tidy, CSE HTML Validator. The customizability of HTML validation with CSE is astounding.

The color coding of the HTML is up a notch -- it dynamically changes in a way that lets me know when I start to go south.

The interface has two changes I struggle with. One is closing the validation results on the left side instead of the right. But that's minor - many other little things have been done to speed the workflow.

The other change I don't care for is splitting "Extended Search" and Extended Replace" into separate functions. Since you can't "undo" an Extended Replace, I assume this is a safeguard against accidentally hitting the Replace button when you only wanted to Search. But it complicates things a bit.

moonbiter

9:50 pm on May 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I upgraded from 4.5 to 5, and didn't see a whole lot of difference. Some support for XHTML, new icons, slightly different interface, but that's about it.

Although I never had the difficulty, it still apparently has the resource hogging problem on Win 9x/Me machines. There is a resource monitor in the settings that will warn you if it is about to crash and burn so you can save your work! Can't fix the problem? Work around it! Woo hoo!

Also, the question "When does 5.5 come out" perhaps would be better phrased "Will there be a 5.5?" There is an awful lot of Homesite in the code view of DreamweaverMX, and it wouldn't be to surprising (to my cynical mind, at least) if they deep-sixed Homesite in lieu of their new WYSIWYG, resource-eating monster.

Anyway, you can bet it will be called Homesite MX if it does show up.

EliteWeb

9:59 pm on May 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I didn't upgrade.

Purple Martin

5:49 am on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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moonbiter - I agree it's easy to see Macromedia ditching Homesite altogether in favour of having all it's features in Dreamweaver. On the other hand, 2 years ago I was sure they were going to ditch Authorware, but it's still going!

moonbiter

2:11 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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On the other hand, 2 years ago I was sure they were going to ditch Authorware, but it's still going!

P_M, I sure hope you are right. I'm not too hugely impressed with Dreamweaver MX, even considering that I use both UltraDev and Homesite. IMHO, the DreamWeaver/Homesite integration walks just this side of the line of bloatware (where a product has features that should be in two seperate programs).

I personally am hoping for a maintenance update to Homesite 5 to repair some of its bugs and to add things like XSL tag support and maybe actually opening the full version of Topstyle (if you own it) when editing inline styles with the tag editor.