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PR6 but low ranked

what could be the problem?

         

eLogo

7:06 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hello to all,

Well, I have a new site that is indexed in this, November, update (first crawled in the beginning of October).
I`ve got PR6 and have 176 backward links.
The problem is my low position for main keyphrase. I`m on 89th place, and have a bunch of PR5/4 sites/pages in front of me.
And when I search with "allinanchor: my main keyphrase", I`m 15th.
Also, I have good content, keyphrase in title, keyphrases in alts,...
I`m so desperate, don`t know what to do, what to change,...
Anyone experienced something similar?
Please, help.

deejay

4:02 am on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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annej - too high by my reckoning.

I'm working on 8 - 12% for single keywords (metas excluded).. leaning heavily towards the 8% end of the scale.

That said, haven't had a chance to look at this month's SERPs in any detail, although on the face of it there's very little change on my pages.

BigDave

4:08 am on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yikes, your page must read like Elizabeth Dole on The Tonight Show when her husband was running for president. "Bob Dole word word Bob Dole word Bob Dole, Bob Dole word ..."

Use your keywords, don't abuse them. Even if you get results from the SE, you will turn off the surfers.

annej

4:35 am on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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When I run it set to check all the words it comes out

11% on my top single key word
13% on the 2 keyword phrase

This is with meta tags excluded.

I'm going to find a way to re-word the list of page links so I don't have to repeat so much.

I think I'll write something like

Quick Reference to Widgeting Articles

red yellow green

blue orange purple

Anne

Catnip

5:37 am on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ok this key word density is making me crazy.. I read something different everyday. I have even seen on these forums (recent post) that key word density is useless. What is considered a good keyword density?

1. For 1 keyword?
2. For a 2 keyword phrase?
3. For a 3 keyword phrase?

MeditationMan

2:04 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone checked the accuracy of the various KWD tools available?

The one at SEW is saying that I have KWD of 17.02% for my main KW, while another online tool is saying it's 4.38%. That's a big difference!

My own count shows I have 617 words in the text and headings, of which 24 are my keyword. That's 3.89%. Even allowing for the fact that approximately a third of the words will not be counted because they are three letters or less, that's still giving me a KWD of about 6%.

Just checked again with the SEW tool, this time exclusing meta tags, and got 15.98%

Anyone know exactly how the SEW tool is counting words? And does Google count words in meta tags or alt tags?

MeditationMan

2:30 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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But that's not all!

The competitor who I said (based on Search Engine World's tool) had a KWD of 18% actually has 185 words on the index page and 5 instances of the keyword on the page. That's 2.7%.

I established this by saving the webpage as a Word document and using Word's word count feature to establish total words on the page. I then did a search and replace to find how many keywords were present. I think I trust Word's word count more than I do SEW's.

Anyone have any thoughts about this?

annej

4:08 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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For starters we need to have some common definition as to what key word density search we are using. My two word phrase ranged from 13% to 32% depending on how I set the Search Engine World key word densitiy analyzer. I guess the ideal method would be the one Google uses if we only knew. ;)

After playing around with my keywords a bit I am thinking that having the keywords in the title makes more difference than density in the text.

Anne

MeditationMan

4:25 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi Anne,

So what's your KWD using the method I suggested, or simply by doing a manual count?

Bodhipaksa

annej

4:46 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Now that I re-did my link list to avoid so much repitition
everything is under 10% if I count all the words on the page. I think that is pretty good.

Using the analyzer with the meta words turned off I get 16% on my top two words. The way they calculate the key word phrases it comes out really high,28% but they are only looking at 5 phrases.

Anne

MeditationMan

5:25 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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So Deejay, when you're aiming for 8 to 12%, what tool are you using to calculate that?

deejay

8:20 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi MeditationMan

That's using Brett's keyword density analyser over at SEW

[searchengineworld.com...]

For Google, I set it so that it includes the Page title, but excludes meta keywords and meta descriptions.

MeditationMan

8:55 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Have you manually checked it for accuracy, deejay? I've no idea what it's measuring, but its results are completely different from other KWD tools I've used, and also very different from what a manual check shows.

Brett, can you elucidate?

Bodhipaksa

eLogo

9:51 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well, I`ve just checked kwda, and noticed this:
for my main keyphrase (2 word), I have 36.36%.
But, one of high-ranked sites for this keyphrase have density of 39.34%, and an other high-ranked site have 31.25%.
So, I`m in middle. My conclusion is that my KWD is good. Not high, not low.

Whoa

10:00 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Re KWD, sites above me have a wide range of KWDs - many of these same sites have lower PR and lower back links. I don't think it's a KWD issue in the classic sense. If everybody above me was lower, sure. If everybody was higher, sure. But people above me are both higher and lower.

It must be a penalty of some kind, site structure issues, or something. The site I'm referring to is clearly superior to many of the sites above it so it's strange to be so low. Oh well. I remain stumped, as I'm sure Google likes me to be.

deejay

10:05 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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MeditationMan

Yep, I checked it when I started using it and actually found it to be more transparent (and accurate) than the one I had used previously.

Have just rechecked and the counts are spot on.

MeditationMan

2:12 am on Dec 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Anyone else noticed the discrepancy I'm seeing? Or even if you haven't, do you have any idea what could be causing it?

deejay

2:24 am on Dec 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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MeditationMan

Sounds like it might be worth a new thread. :)

You could a modified version of Brett's quickrank list for keyword placement:

title:
meta descrip:
meta keywords:
large h1-h2 headings:
domain name:
url or filename:
general text:
alt tag:

Note how many occurrences of your keyword in each place and we can have a look at it in some more detail.

It would be interesting to see what it's picking up.

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