Sandboxed Sites - Back Together?

Do they come out together or one by one?

[McMohan]

Most of the new sites that I work with are still in the sandbox. Was just curios to know, if all the sanboxed sites come out of the sandbox during one fine major updation or one by one, over the rolling updates?

That is to say, should one be checking to see if the sites are out of the sandbox regularly or only when they know there is a major Google update? :)

Thanks

Mc

[Hanu]

BeeDeeDubbleU,

Remember that if we consider that the Internet is less than ten years old and growing exponentially then we are talking about perhaps as much as 15% or more of the Internet being hidden by Google.

Making guesses like that can be dangerous. For one, the growth of the web is not from new sites only. It is from new pages on old sites, too. Secondly, the sb effect is only apparent in competitive areas. The sb is by no means hiding content. In my spare time, I run a purely hobbyist site with some obscure but useful articles. I receive quite nice traffic from Google although I have been changing domain names, url schemes like there was no tomorrow.

Whenever any theory as controversial as this has happened in the past GoogleGuy has come along and debunked it but not this time. Doesn't that tell you something?

Uh, wait a minute! You've managed to maneuvre yourself into a corner there. Yes, GG has debunked wrong theories in the past. The fact that he hasn't yet debunked the sb tells me that ... bingo!

[bignet]

this Girl loves attention and rumours
wait until bbc and cnn

[mark1615]

Here is another question:

If one has a new page on an old site and promotes it heavily with new links what do people think would be the effect? Would it move up quickly or not all? Or something else?

[airpal]

So I assume the ONLY solution is to just go out and buy 1 or 2 year old domains with pagerank?

I have a personal site registered in Dec. 2003, which probably got some pagerank by January/February 2004, and I just started actually doing any optimization for it about 4-5 weeks ago. Some pages are in the top 10 for allinanchor for competitive keywords, but are nowhere to be found for their searches. I'm willing to wait exactly one more PR update, before giving up and buying an older domain to transfer to.

And here comes the irony: I added 100 new internal pages to a company site about 2 weeks ago, for a domain that was registered in April 2004. This domain had not been showing any PR anywhere for the last 3 months because it was a dynamic site, until I recently changed the homepage to a static page. After that I added the 100 new pages and within DAYS the vast majority of the pages are top 10 for their phrases while being PR0.

As they say: "Don't quit your day job"!

[airpal]

Correction:

domain that was registered in April 2004

should state: "domain that was registered in April 2003"

[McMohan]

If one has a new page on an old site and promotes it heavily with new links what do people think would be the effect

In all likelihood it will exhibit the similar behaviour as a new site, minus a month or two. But remember, if that new page happens to be a page on a CNN, Stanford kinda site, it might rank within a couple of weeks, for the old links are doing a BIG favour.

Mc

[Powdork]

In all likelihood it will exhibit the similar behaviour as a new site, minus a month or two.

New pages on mature domains can rank well within hours. It doesn't have to be CNN or even remotely close.

[McMohan]

New pages on mature domains can rank well within hours. It doesn't have to be CNN or even remotely close

Yes. But if the term happens to be a competitive one, even a mature domain will take time.

[BeeDeeDubbleU]

Hanu

Making guesses like that can be dangerous. For one, the growth of the web is not from new sites only. It is from new pages on old sites, too.

I think claiming that it is "dangerous" is a bit strong :) This is just a speculative figure but remember that I used the term "as much as 15%". So I will stand by this.

Uh, wait a minute! You've managed to maneuvre yourself into a corner there. Yes, GG has debunked wrong theories in the past. The fact that he hasn't yet debunked the sb tells me that ... bingo!

"Manoeuvred myself into a corner"? I am afraid that I don't get what you mean here? This problem just happens to be one of the most significant things to happen with Google since day 1 and they haven't been able to comment. GoogleGuy has obviously been silenced on this subject. If it were just the effects of an attempted clean up he would be all over this forum like a rash, "There is no sandbox", "Have a look at our guidelines.", etc, etc.

Bring on the media ;)

[eyezshine]

I just think google is building a bigger better database that can hold more than 4 billion pages. But for now, to compete with msn they have built a supplimental results index with 4 billion pages so they can say they have 8 billion pages now.

Then they will go with that until they finish their new bigger database system with the new faster mozilla 5.0 crawler etc...

I think it's all in the works right now. Just about 3-4 weeks ago google spidered all my sites pretty deep. Even my "banned/blocked/pr0'ed/hijacked etc" websites got spidered just like they used to back in the good ol' days before all this sandbox stuff happened.

But I didn't see any of those new pages in this new 8 billion page index. As a matter of fact, nothing changed for my sites rankings or traffic from google.

So I expect to see a new update soon when they switch over to the new improved system.

What do you all think?