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I went to the site today to see PR5. Pretty good for a site that I have never promoted, that logs dont any refers from. And that Google or Yahoo show any backlinks to.
I did submit via hand to Google, but nowhere else is it found.
Why would it have such a high pagerank? Anyone else experiencing things like this?
ncw164x
The next likely scenario is you have a couple of deeplinks, creating internal PR supplying pages which themselves provide PR to the homepage via your navigation.
The homepage will show no external backlinks, because there are none. But there are deeper internal pages linking back to the homepage, supplying the PR...
Google deals with pages, not domains.
TJ
there are deeper internal pages linking back to the homepage, supplying the PR
This is my theory also, I have linked to myself this way for years because when your site is new no one wants to link to it and I have never done any link campaigns to get other sites to link back
Trouble is though its worked for years but no one believes you when you say you have no sites linking to you but you have got a PR 5, its how you have your navigation.
ncw164x
You mean that every page is born with at least some PR (very small value though) and this adds up?
How many pages does the site consist of?
Consider this:-
Homepage :-
domain.com/index.html
...links to a page which is an article about widgets:-
domain.com/widgets.html
And widgets.html has a link back to homepage (domain.com/).
An external (let's say a high PR5) page likes the widgets page, and links to it.
Let's say widgets.html now becomes a PR4 page.
widgets.html links back to root and makes root a PR3.
So link:www.domain.com will show no external backlinks whatsoever, but the homepage is a PR3.
The external links supplying the PR maybe coming in through deeplinks. If your standard navigation is such that you always have a link back to the homepage, then PR will ultimately end up there.
Google deals with pages, not domains.
One of the reasons link:www.domain.com never worked very well is it only shows links to the homepage. Lot's of sites have deeplinks, or links to www.domain.com/index.html etc.
If that is not the case here, then it's simply the good old toolbar being out of whack.
And that's perfectly normal....
TJ
this was the reason why i did ask for how many pages are listed in G.
By doing a "page rank search" on tools like SEOCHAT's one it might be possible to find out which page or pages are the "guilty" ones.
Strange!
maybe that is the case for mine, but ive never had links before so its not like they disappeared.
Maybe I just got a link and I can't see it yet because they haven't updated their stuff yet... Logs still show no clickthrus of links. Yahoo/Google only show internal page and no outside links.
but this discussion could maybe bring some light to certain behaviours in G, at least the tread itself is neither better nor worse than cartain others here in the forum
PageRank without Backlinks?and
Is it possible, and why?
Let's try to keep this thread focused on those questions and "bring some light to certain behaviours in G." OK? :)
The real questions are:
PageRank without Backlinks?
and
Is it possible, and why?
And backlinks without pagerank.
We have a site with over 9000 pages. Many depth 2, 3 and even 4 pages have pagerank ranging from 3 to 1. Our home page had a PR of 4 until yesterday. It's dropped to 0 since then and stayed that way. I've tested it on various MS OS's with various versions of IE and the toolbar. Also checked PR on various web sites.
Google has over 4000 of our pages in its index. Also shows about 1100 backlinks using a search of:
.oursite. -site:oursite.com
And yet we're still getting around 600 unique hits from Google every day with no decline.
So my take is that Google just rolled out some new PR code and its buggy.
Either that or they just upped their strictness on SEO and are randomly passing on the extra page rank to new sites.
Mark.
PageRank without Backlinks?
Theoretically, yes. In practice, no.
Unfortunately this thread is just another result of Google's idiot backlink policy designed to deliberately mislead inexperienced webmasters.
Exactly, :-),
I've seen brand - spanking - new domains come to life directly with PR3 and 4 several times. This was around the same time last year. In every case, the PR faded away to white a few weeks later. While I could never figure out how this was happening, I do have some facts and data that might give somebody a clue:
These domains were all hosted on a fairly crowded shared server, hosting a total of over 1000 domains, all on a single shared IP address. Could this have anything to do with it? Another interesting point: I also believe that no domain on this server has ever risen above PR4 and I'm nearly sure that at least some of our domains (hosted on this server) should be having PR5 and one domain should be PR6.
I'll substantiate my belief with this: One of these sites evolved into a fairly big affair, with 2000+ pages and has attracted a decent number of natural links, including a listing on a PR7 DMOZ category. It currently ranks in top 10/20/30 at Google, Yahoo and others for about 7500 traffic generating, unique keywords/phrases and averages about 800 unique visitors a day, most of them via Google. While most of these search terms are not very competitive (under 500,000 matches), quite a few rank on page 1 for fairly crowded terms - 1 million matches and above. Would all this lead you to believe that the site should have a home page PR of 6? Still, what it shows on the toolbar is PR4.
Could there be some anomaly like ‘Born with PR4, never rise above PR4’ at work here?
Perhaps, (at least a part of) the answer to EliteWeb's original question lies in what I've described above?
I can only think that the algos for calculating the PR vs. checking backlinks are completely independent of each other.
Some people who get Geocities sites celebrate when they start with PR5 or PR6 (I forgot which), but within weeks, the new index page gets its true PR, which can be <1. Such sites fit the description of PR without backlinks.
I have a site with 30,000 pages all pointing to the home page (just a link to Home, among other nav items) but while it is indexed to some extent, the displayed PR is <1.
I have a site with 30,000 pages all pointing to the home page (just a link to Home, among other nav items) but while it is indexed to some extent, the displayed PR is <1.
I'm sure anallawalla and many others here are aware of this, but for the benefit of those who are not:
A page can pass PR to other page/s (via outbound links) only if it has a PR of its own. As is commonly known, PR usually originates from inbound links. So, if anallawalla's 30,000 page site does not have any inbound links from external domain/s pointing to any of his site's pages, no page of his site will have any PR. Under this condition, even though 30,000 pages of his site link to the home page, it will not get (or show) any PR because the linking pages do not have any PR that they can pass.
