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PageRank without Backlinks?

Is it possible, and why?

     
5:48 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Greetings WebmasterWorld :)
Today I was just going through my domain name list and went to one of my unfinished sites. The site is finished from a functionality point of view but not all design wise so i put it on the back burner.

I went to the site today to see PR5. Pretty good for a site that I have never promoted, that logs dont any refers from. And that Google or Yahoo show any backlinks to.

I did submit via hand to Google, but nowhere else is it found.

Why would it have such a high pagerank? Anyone else experiencing things like this?

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You'll have to share the url so that I can check to see if the site has any inadvertent backlinks.

Try running a backlink command on yahoo (link:) and see if anything comes up.

Most likely there is a link from one of your existing sites pointing to this unfinished site.

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I've seen sites with PR6 or even a PR7 before with no backlinks.
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I believe the processes of reporting backlinks and reporting pagerank are independent of one another. If you're seeing pagerank for a site today and no backlinks then it may be that the latest backlink data is not visible.
8:54 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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the process of calculating PR and calculating backlinks are not done with the same set of results imho. So a difference is always possible, just due to the fact that the world changes.
8:57 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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in Yahoo - search for backlinks for the entire site via:

linkdomain:example.com

that'll show you everything Yahoo's found for it.

9:24 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo has no links for it, logs don't show any links coming to it either.

Even though it is PR5 pages within dont show any.

9:34 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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No yahoo links with linkdomain:www.yoursite.com
No google links with link:www.yoursite.com

and a PR of five? Even if Google had found some it had calculated but wasn't yet showing, Yahoo should at least show a link or two I'd imagine. I know back in the day, a site had PR out of the box, but haven't seen that is a severely long time.

Now, does the site show internal backlinks? I mean, that would at least be a backlink or few if it did - but if none of the pages on the domain have an inbound, how would the subpages have any "oompf" to pass on?

Puzzling ;).

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> I know back in the day, a site had PR out of the box.
(then went down if no backlinks provided).

True to this day.

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Is it indexed under what you want it to show up under?
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I think recently some of the members were talking about the absence of high quality links from google backlinks reports. If that theory is true then it could explain this situation.
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"True to this day."

No. Not even new pages on existing sites get immediate PR, much less brand spanking new sites immediately upon launch.

10:17 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Besides the fact that backward links are not accurate, another possibility is that the domain was redirected to a page which had PR. This is common if you registered the domain and did not publish content for a few days. Many registars will redirect those domains to an error page. This error page has links pointing to it.

This has happened to me a few times when I bought domains from gandi and did not publish the content for a few weeks.

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It's not a frame-forwarded domain is it?

TJ

11:01 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Newbie here... What is PR5? and how do I check how my website ranks?
11:09 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A few months back I had the same with a site, brand new out of the box domain name, adsense on the site and I use the google toolbar (just giving you the overall picture). Not submitted but getting traffic within a couple of days and this was before it was spidered

About three weeks later googlebot then spidered the site, it is a large site and the internal page links/anchor text is what I think was taken into consideration to get a PR 5, in other words your linking to your self.

Nothing underhand was done to the site just clean seo work.

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Try searching for backlinks 500 times in a row on Yahoo and Google and chances are that one of the searches will show the up-to-date backlinks.

Every time I hit refresh on a site:mydomain.com search I get a completely different number of results.

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This is common if you registered the domain and did not publish content for a few days. Many registars will redirect those domains to an error page. This error page has links pointing to it.

Yeah goodroi

I have seen the exact same thing at least three times. Specifically when unparking a domain and giving it some space of its own, it takes a share of the page rank from the old master domain it was once parked against. Things settle down after a couple of updates though and the PR gained then disappears.

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12:10 am on Sept 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I work with a person that gets pr4 "out of the box" with every site we have done. We have done this multiple times :) for clients. No backlinks! Believe it or not.
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We have done this multiple times for clients. :) No backlinks! Believe it or not.

Not.

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The nots have it.
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like a said before, post the url www dot your site dot com

And let us investigate. Otherwise, this is a mute point.

2:27 am on Sept 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Don't post URLs please! Terms of Service [webmasterworld.com] items 13, 20, 25 and 28 and probably a few others...
3:47 am on Sept 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Why is this thread on the front page? Go to google and type in "+www.domain.+com" you will find your backlinks.
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Why is this thread on the front page? Go to google and type in "+www.domain.+com" you will find your backlinks.

I never tried that before and while it worked on my PR6 sites, the PR 4 ones showed no backlinks outside their own domain.

plus, the PR6 ones did not show each other, even though they both link to each other.

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What it could be is that a page used to point to it that gave you PR. That page stopped linking and the PR meter has not updated yet. Wait until the next PR update and if it is still there then you may have something there. Of course the site of green means nothing. What matter is can you rank for anything.
5:00 am on Sept 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Greetings,

Yahoo and Google only show internal backlinks.

No framed pages etc. I think I found out why. I have super powers :P

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But what about outbound links, do you link out to relative sites? If so it might support theory of google valuing quality outbound links. But that's pure speculation.
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EliteWeb,

how many pages of your site are indexed in G?

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