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Where is the PageRank update though... will it be arriving very soon? :-)
Also tons of newer stuff basically just gone.
My area as well as others that I watch show nothing but the usual shuffling here and there the same as last week when people started talking about a major shakeup. Two major shakeups in two weeks while leaving some areas untouched is not a coincidence.
The only major difference I see today is the number of indexed pages for the sites I'm interested in. Huge increase!
Ogletree, sometimes I feel like taking your posts, copying them down in a little book, and handing them out as part of a webmaster's bible. Your honesty and insight are compelling to say the least.
(and, no, I am not ogletree posting under a different name)
Fantastic, this is excellent back to the way it was before August the 5th.
Right now it MUST be PageRank update time soon...
please let this be true....anyone else?
But as usual, nobody cares how you personally rank. Differences in the quality of results, and ways they have changed, that is something interesting we can all possibly get some value from. This batch is the worst since last summer. Still not awful, but the amount of clean low quality sites outranking clean high quality sites is very disturbing. Again, it looks like Google is actually believing the idiotbacklink information it is displaying.
This inept ranking always corrects itself sooner or later, and page 1 ranks the highest of the three pages, but right now stuff is screwed up. Hopefully sooner rather than later they will get this botched data out of there.
[edited by: steveb at 11:18 pm (utc) on Aug. 24, 2004]
The only major difference I see today is the number of indexed pages for the sites I'm interested in.
My number of indexed pages has been bouncing constantly for about five hours now. This is a strange turn of events:
Normally it is Backlinks - > PageRank - > Update (or The Big Shuffle)
This is a new one on me, its obviously not changed to a rolling update or else there wouldn't be this major shuffle so what is the new Google strategy?
GG mentioned quarterly PR updates some time back as was written in this thread.
It would seem that this may be in line with the sandbox tactic. I mean, the lag-time (sandbox) hurts new sites the most (links are all new) and that was obviously considered before implementing it. Now, what better way to further ensure that new sites expecting to quickly come in and dominate receive a further set back? Simple, stop PR from appearing after a month.
If we are targeting a high dollar industry it's not going to kill us to wait three months. It's easy to get a PR6-8 after a month or so which then makes obtaining massive amounts of reciprocal links simple.
So by the time that lag wears off you've gotten a very healthy amount of links and your rankings improve (assuming all else is done correctly and no penalizations occur) continuously over the next 2-3 months as they age until you're tops. The high PR has helped all pages get indexed and you're basically set to dominate.
While sparse PR updates will further discourage small operations and get rich quick sites from starting, it really just changes strategies and time-frames a bit. That's all.
Around and around she goes... where she stops nobody knows.
I'm praying tonight.
The 'shuffle' seems to be getting worse and worse... perhaps I'm just not link-spamming enough... who knows. :(
Sites with pr 5-7's, been around since 98-99, being trampled by pr 0's that are clearly boiler-plate, throw-away domains. Argh... :)
I have a few site PR 5 that are somewhere in position 400 i wait now 6 months to see any improvement
If the sites (or pages) aren't ranking after six months, maybe it's time to try making some changes.
All of the people posting about problems must be in the same area.
My guess would be Travel, Gambling or Prescription related? I think those are the most heavily spammed at the moment.
The areas I watch are untouched. And in fact look pretty good. Not a single spam site on the first page.
So, at least in my area Google is doing something right. To broadly say they are screwing up is just not true. From where I sit they are doing a fine job.
Can someone at least post an area that shows such bad serps so those who are not affected can see what your all talking about?
Don't post the link, just the general term,ie: travel
It's not necessarily that google is doing something right in your area, it can be that there just aren't any people doing anything wrong.
[edited by: walkman at 2:08 am (utc) on Aug. 25, 2004]
LOL>> I about fell off my chair when I saw that. One of the areas commands over 8.00 per click and you can bet the black hats are trying their best. But for some reason, they don't seem to get to far for that particular catagory since Google wacks them in very short order. I see them show for short periods and then just like a can of Raid! POW!
So, I still say at least in the areas I'm interested in they have got it down to a tee. That's why I'm curious as to what areas are such a mess.
GG mentioned quarterly PR updates some time back as was written in this thread.
What? When? Where? How did I miss this?
Did he really say that?
Uh yeah, if you got a message board with tons of PR1 links, then you'll be happy.But as usual, nobody cares how you personally rank. Differences in the quality of results, and ways they have changed, that is something interesting we can all possibly get some value from. This batch is the worst since last summer. Still not awful, but the amount of clean low quality sites outranking clean high quality sites is very disturbing. Again, it looks like Google is actually believing the idiotbacklink information it is displaying.
Actually our site is a PR6 and we use no trickery to achieve positions in search engines.
With a long established background and hundreds of links, I object to the opinion that we are in any way spammers or a low quality site looking for a short term gain.
Anyway back on track; when did GoogleGuy announce quarterly PR updates?
He's a good politician that way.
:-)
'cause it's got vids and pics
of naked chicks..
But I would appreciate
if my pagerank did not depreciate..
The site had a six
but I guess google don't like sex..
Now I got a zero
and I'm no longer a pagerank hero..
Perhaps it's google dancing around booble
But I would really like to know
if this is a new google show..
What the hell is going on
that's all I'd like to know
How many weeks do I wait
to see if my pagerank will ever show?
